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God is One of Us

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bpcw wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:12 pm Reflections On The Existence Of God: A Series Of Essays
Highly recommend it.
I'd love to see TripleThought's review of this book. :mrgreen:

@YoungAnakin: since it's a foregone conclusion that I will perish you and win our li'l $500 bet on USSA real estate, if you read JCNinja's book and post a half-decent review, you only have to pay me $400 when I formally win our wager next year.

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Yodean wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 4:51 pm
bpcw wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:12 pm Reflections On The Existence Of God: A Series Of Essays
Highly recommend it.
I'd love to see TripleThought's review of this book. :mrgreen:

@YoungAnakin: since it's a foregone conclusion that I will perish you and win our li'l $500 bet on USSA real estate, if you read JCNinja's book and post a half-decent review, you only have to pay me $400 when I formally win our wager next year.

:lol:
A review from Triplethought would be interesting indeed, I still look forward to the time we sing Amazing Grace together! :lol:
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bpcw wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:12 pm Reflections On The Existence Of God: A Series Of Essays

Thanks bpcw, I'm planning to read it. One of the reasons I joined this forum was to be challenged, and I think this book will hit the spot.

Additionally, I am interested in the link (or not, as I currently see it), between religion and what I would call morality.



Back to my comfort zone now - I'm putting something for you on Light Entertainment. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to enjoy it despite the subject matter ;)
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harryg wrote: Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:22 am
bpcw wrote: Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:12 pm Reflections On The Existence Of God: A Series Of Essays

Thanks bpcw, I'm planning to read it. One of the reasons I joined this forum was to be challenged, and I think this book will hit the spot.

Additionally, I am interested in the link (or not, as I currently see it), between religion and what I would call morality.



Back to my comfort zone now - I'm putting something for you on Light Entertainment. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to enjoy it despite the subject matter ;)
Very glad you're taking up the challenge, morality and atheism is a very difficult one to square for me, mostly you see intellectuals do linguistic gymnastics to get round it or just admit that it's an illusion which is quite nihilistic.

Over to light entertainment! :D
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What is the link between religion, I would call it spirituality and morality ? there is no link between the two.

Morality is a simple response to have good relations with the others. In our western countries, we have moral values with the human rights, we have to be benevolent with the others.

And this has nothing to make with the spiritual values. Spiritual values are a response to the existential questions.
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And you can have an atheist spirituality, There a lot of atheist philosophies that can give you a response to existential questions. And here also, there is no link with morality.
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A rather interesting book well depends on the angle you look at it

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Hegel, the End of History, and the Future
if a country's goal is economic growth above all other considerations, the truly winning combination would appear to be neither liberal democracy nor socialism of either a Leninist or democratic variety, but the combination of liberal economics and authoritarian politics…or what we might term a "market-oriented authoritarianism.


Great quotes by Hegel

“We learn from history that we do not learn from history.”

“Impatience asks for the impossible, wants to reach the goal without the means of getting there. The length of the journey has to be borne with, for every moment is necessary.”

“Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights”

“What experience and history teaches us is that people and governments have never learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.”

“Truth is found neither in the thesis nor the antithesis, but in an emergent synthesis which reconciles the two.”

“Only one man ever understood me, and he didn't understand me.”

“It is solely by risking life that freedom is obtained; . . . the individual who has not staked his or her life may, no doubt, be recognized as a Person; but he or she has not attained the truth of this recognition as an independent self-consciousness
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SOL wrote: Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:09 pm if a country's goal is economic growth above all other considerations, the truly winning combination would appear to be neither liberal democracy nor socialism of either a Leninist or democratic variety, but the combination of liberal economics and authoritarian politics…or what we might term a "market-oriented authoritarianism.
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Interesting quote - to some extent this reflects what is occuring in China.
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The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire

Before I post the link for the book, this article which examines the parallels between what took place in Rome and America of today is both Succinct as well as being informative



Why did Rome fall? The Roman Empire during the period of Classical Antiquity (which pre-dated widespread Christianity, and was artistically most significant in the pantheons of the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses) was a very powerful and widespread Empire. The ruler was the Caesar (a line of 12 Caesars ruled the Roman Empire: the first was Julius Caesar, the last was Romulus Augustus); his rule was autocratic and absolute. In its essence, the Roman Empire in its heyday was a military dictatorship, heavily supported by a slave economy, and with arms out-flung to the outer reaches of Europe. There seemed to be, on the face of it, no outward reasons for this successful model of government and economy to cease to be successful. The inner reasons are speculative and numerous. Historians, including Mr. Gibbons, do not have the definitive answer. Here are just a few:
  • Invasions by Germanic hordes of people
    the coming of Islam
    The sack of Rome
    The general malaise of the people
    the decadence of the ruling classes
    the growing influence of Christianity
    a collapsing and no longer workable economy. "The economy of the Empire was a plunder economy based on looting existing resources rather than producing anything new."
    loss of civic virtue
    Excessive taxation spurred by a huge and overweening military budget
    A decline in agriculture; deforestation which led to drought; withdrawal of land from agriculture. Small farmers driven onto the dole; the elite who owned vast tracts of land tilled by slaves were exempt from taxation.
    A decline in the production of exportable goods; discouragement of entrepreneurialism; discouragement of technical innovation
    Unsound economic policies (maybe the most key factor)
    The debasement of the currency
    crop failures
    disease
Look familiar?

Do any of the above reasons for the collapse of the Roman Empire sound familiar? The unsound economy? The mismanagement of natural resources and agriculture? The overweening military budget? The elite sheltered from taxes while the small farmers are going under? The general malaise of the people; the loss of civic pride and civic responsibility?

I thought, very uneasily, yes, it sounds familiar. It could be America, today, instead of the Roman Empire at the end of the third century, AD. All except for the part about the barbarian hordes of Germanic people invading, of course.

I also came to realize that societies, countries, "empires," have a natural terminus, as well as individuals and businesses, do. The Bell curve is swooping upwards from the inception of the complex society (or individual, or business); the thing is growing all the time, reaching its maximum peak, its heyday. From then on, there is a natural reactive decline, until, in the end, the person, or society, or business...dies. Ceases to exist. Fades out completely, and is no more.

An American anthropologist named Tainter presented a theory in his book, entitled, "The Collapse of Complex Societies," which sounds a LOT like the anthropological version of chaos theory.

He says, in effect: there are diminishing returns to an increasingly advanced, increasingly complex, and increasingly technically sophisticated society. Societies become increasingly advanced, increasingly complex, and increasingly technically sophisticated at the expense of their resource base, to the point where the resource base can no longer accommodate the complex society and the society is no longer sustainable.

Once the complex society is no longer sustainable, it collapses into smaller, less complex units, which ARE sustainable with the available resources. And the cycle of increasing complexity begins all over again. This would explain why we, the human race, seem to be condemned to repeat history, over and over.

The collapse may be a violent collapse, or it may be a peaceful collapse. The collapse may be sudden, or it may be gradual. A case may be made for the survival of the Eastern half of the Roman Empire well into the European medieval period. It didn't officially expire until the fall of Constantinople in 1453.

What does this mean for us? Where is America going, now? We have outrun our resources, as evidenced by the current debt crisis. What happens next?

https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Paral ... of-America


The full version of the book can be downloaded here

https://gutenberg.org/files/25717/25717-h/25717-h.htm


The abridged version can be accessed here

https://docdro.id/3VN3NM3
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https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/1 ... man-empire

Also, climate change could have been an important trigger of the roman decline.

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https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ju ... an-emperor

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Emperor Julian, the historians call him the apostate. He was a good emperor for a young guy, cultivated and philosopher. Constantine had proclaimed christian religion as the official religion. Julian wanted to go against the trend of christianism and wanted to revive the ancestors religion.

""Julian, now sole Augustus, greatly simplified the life of the palace and reduced its expenses. He issued proclamations in which he declared his intention to rule as a philosopher, on the model of Marcus Aurelius. All Christian bishops exiled by Constantius were allowed to return to their sees (although the purpose of this may have been to promote dissension among the Christians), and an edict of 361 proclaimed freedom of worship for all religions.

But this initial toleration of Christianity was coupled with a determination to revive paganism and raise it to the level of an official religion with an established hierarchy. ""

He was 31 when he died, maybe killed by a catholic legionnair, he only reigned during 20 months, but it was a good guy, a good emperor at the end of the roman empire

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I'm now reading, with delight, Charles Mackay's Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds.

My favorite part so far is this story about one of the bubble companies of 1720 in London:
But the most absurd and preposterous of all, and which showed, more completely than any other, the utter madness of the people, was one started by an unknown adventurer, entitled "A company for carrying on an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is." Were not the facts stated by scores of credible witnesses, it would be impossible to believe that any person could have been duped by such a project. The man of genius who essayed this bold and successful inroad upon public credulity, merely stated in his prospectus that the required capital was half a million, in five thousand shares of 100l. each, deposit 2l. per share. Each subscriber, paying his deposit, would be entitled to 100l. per annum per share. How this immense profit was to be obtained, he did not condescend to inform them at that time, but promised that in a month full particulars should be duly announced, and a call made for the remaining 98l. of the subscription. Next morning, at nine o'clock, this great man opened an office in Cornhill. Crowds of people beset his door, and when he shut up at three o'clock, he found that no less than one thousand shares had been subscribed for, and the deposits paid. He was thus, in five hours, the winner of 2000l. He was philosopher enough to be contented with his venture, and set off the same evening for the Continent. He was never heard of again.
He might as well be talking about any of the many pump-and-dump crypto scams. Technologies change, but people don't. Studying the manias of the 17th and 18th centuries is as relevant as ever. So, are NFTs of Bored Apes the new tulips?
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nicolas wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:55 pm He might as well be talking about any of the many pump-and-dump crypto scams. Technologies change, but people don't. Studying the manias of the 17th and 18th centuries is as relevant as ever. So, are NFTs of Bored Apes the new tulips?
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The average Bitcoin investor is a calculating psychopath with an inflated ego, according to scientists.

Bitcoin investors commonly exhibit 'dark' personality traits such as narcissism and sadism, according to scientists

They identified that many investors exhibit signs of the “dark tetrad”, a group of four unsavoury traits made up of narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy and sadism.

They also find it difficult to empathise with others and are sly and manipulative.

Scientists at Queensland University of Technology described their findings in research published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences earlier this month.

They asked 566 people to complete personality surveys as well as answer questions about their attitudes to crypto.

Of the participants, one in four reported that they owned crypto and two-thirds showed an interest in crypto investing.

All four dark tetrad traits correlated with an affinity for investing, each for their own reasons.

According to the researchers, dark tetrads are partly drawn to crypto because they are prepared to take risks.

“We studied only a subset of people interested in crypto who do have these traits,” Dr Wang said.

“If you happen to be a Bitcoin or other crypto holder, you may or may not exhibit them.”


https://engineersforum.com.ng/2022/04/1 ... cientists/

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Yodean wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:33 pm The average Bitcoin investor is a calculating psychopath with an inflated ego, according to scientists.

Bitcoin investors commonly exhibit 'dark' personality traits such as narcissism and sadism, according to scientists

They identified that many investors exhibit signs of the “dark tetrad”, a group of four unsavoury traits made up of narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy and sadism.

They also find it difficult to empathise with others and are sly and manipulative.



Oy vei, guess I'd better look in the mirror today.
I like this.

I read a few years ago that if you like Gin & Tonic you could have psychopathic tendencies.

Apparently, psychopaths tend to like bitter flavours.




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I shall preface by saying, all false modesty aside, memory serves me very well. Well enough that I can't remember reading a book twice, except for this one.

This Explains Everything Edited by John Brockman

I only type 19 WPM, so will give Amazon credit for the copied and pasted review below.

Drawn from the cutting-edge frontiers of science, This Explains Everything will revolutionize your understanding of the world.

What is your favorite deep, elegant, or beautiful explanation? This is the question John Brockman, publisher of Edge.org ("The world's smartest website"—The Guardian), posed to the world's most influential minds. Flowing from the horizons of physics, economics, psychology, neuroscience, and more, This Explains Everything presents 150 of the most surprising and brilliant theories of the way of our minds, societies, and universe work.

Jared Diamond on biological electricity • Nassim Nicholas Taleb on positive stress • Steven Pinker on the deep genetic roots of human conflict • Richard Dawkins on pattern recognition • Nobel Prize-winning physicist Frank Wilczek on simplicity • Lisa Randall on the Higgs mechanism • BRIAN Eno on the limits of intuition • Richard Thaler on the power of commitment • V. S. Ramachandran on the "neural code" of consciousness • Nobel Prize winner ERIC KANDEL on the power of psychotherapy • Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi on "Lord Acton's Dictum" • Lawrence M. Krauss on the unification of electricity and magnetism • plus contributions by Martin J. Rees • Kevin Kelly • Clay Shirky • Daniel C. Dennett • Sherry Turkle • Philip Zimbardo • Lee Smolin • Rebecca Newberger Goldstein • Seth Lloyd • Stewart Brand • George Dyson • Matt Ridley
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Capital Wars by Michael Howell

https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Wars-Ris ... 237&sr=8-1

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