Chinas future

[SOL]

Good song for the upcoming trend changes or chaos

https://youtu.be/5I2MHj1iDIU

[Budge]

Interesting stance on Russia, although I do not initially agree with it, I have to take some time to absorb. Currently they do have europe by the balls, if they don’t negotiate soon then europe is entering the dark ages.

Meanwhile back in the EU, the hypocrites move the goalposts:

"EU parliament backs labelling gas and nuclear investments as green"

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustai ... 022-07-06/

[SOL]

Interesting stance on Russia, although I do not initially agree with it, I have to take some time to absorb. Currently they do have europe by the balls, if they don’t negotiate soon then europe is entering the dark ages.

Meanwhile back in the EU, the hypocrites move the goalposts:

"EU parliament backs labelling gas and nuclear investments as green"

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustai ... 022-07-06/

And the US will follow soon, they might even decide to call coal the new green kid of the block by announcing tech changes that were made decades ago as being just discovered hence the new green kid on the block

[harryg]

Meanwhile back in the EU, the hypocrites move the goalposts:

"EU parliament backs labelling gas and nuclear investments as green"

https://www.reuters.com/business/sustai ... 022-07-06/

When the goalposts are put in a stupid position I would prefer that they be moved, even if it's done by the morons who put them there in the first place.

Labelling things as green seems to be their way of backtracking.

[MarkD]

Those of us in the consulting engineering business have known for decades the entire green energy movement was crap. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Scrubbers and baghouse tech have been around for forty years. It costs a bit more to capture particulate but not nearly what mills and mirrors cost. Nuclear is the clear winner especially with the newer generation of modular reactors. Safe and clean.

[LoriPrecisely]

Those of us in the consulting engineering business have known for decades the entire green energy movement was crap. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Scrubbers and baghouse tech have been around for forty years. It costs a bit more to capture particulate but not nearly what mills and mirrors cost. Nuclear is the clear winner especially with the newer generation of modular reactors. Safe and clean.

Those of us who know the truth need to expose the lies with words of truth to all who will listen. My neighbor is not one who will listen. He thinks Greta is just a wonderful miracle child.
What about the waste from the production of nuclear?
I read an autobiography of a family who grew up in Colorado during the protests about a nuclear plant which eventually resulted in it being shuttered. But, the waste was the biggest problem. It was put into 55 gallon steel drums, which eventually rusted, subsequently allowing the waste to leak into the ground to contaminate the water supply. A lot of citizens ended up with cancer, even the children. I can't remember the name of the book or any of the relevant details right now, but if anyone is interested, I can look for my book.

There is a nuclear graveyard in South Carolina. I read that a retired reactor was transported from Michigan to South Carolina for disposal.

[harryg]

Nuclear waste (spent fuel) is so far a badly solved problem, in my view.

In other news, I read that most of a wind turbine is not recyclable (lots of fibreglass etc), and at the end of their lives they get buried in the ground. Not very green is it?

We went to see Jack Dee (a UK comedian) a few weeks ago, he had a few things to say about Greta (and more particularly the machine that 'runs' her). It was nice to see that not everyone has yet been muzzled - he didn't hold back.

Also, the audience seemed to like it, so there are still some people with their own minds.

[SOL]

I posted something like this a few months ago but can remember where. Russia is developing an autonomous Nuclear plant where the fuel rods can be recycled in perpetuity



Russia starts building lead-cooled fast reactor

Russian nuclear fuel manufacturer TVEL has announced the start of construction of a 300 MW nuclear power unit enabled with the innovative BREST-OD-300 lead-cooled fast reactor at the site of the Siberian Chemical Combine, in Seversk. The reactor will run on mixed uranium-plutonium nitride (MNUP) fuel, specially developed for this facility as the "optimal solution" for fast reactors.

TVEL said that, for the first time in history, a nuclear power plant powered by a fast reactor will be built alongside closed nuclear fuel cycle servicing enterprises on one site. It will be an integral part of the Pilot Demonstration Energy Complex (PDEC) - a cluster of three interconnected facilities, including the nuclear fuel production plant (for fabrication and re-fabrication), the BREST-OD-300 power unit, and the facility for irradiated fuel reprocessing.

After reprocessing, the irradiated fuel from the reactor will be sent for re-fabrication, thereby giving this system the means to become "practically autonomous and independent of external resources supplies", said TVEL, which is a subsidiary of Russian state nuclear corporation Rosatom. PDEC is part of of Rosatom’s Proryv, or Breakthough, project that aims to close the nuclear fuel cycle.

"The nuclear power industry’s resource base will practically become inexhaustible thanks to the infinite reprocessing of nuclear fuel. At the same time, future generations will be spared the problem of accumulating spent nuclear fuel," Rosatom Director General Alexey Likhachov said in the TVEL statement.

TVEL President Natalia Nikipelova added that the Breakthrough project concerns not merely the development of innovative reactors, but also the introduction of a new generation of nuclear fuel cycle technologies. Production of dense nitride MNUP fuel will ensure the efficient operation of a lead-cooled fast reactor and consist entirely of recycled nuclear materials such as plutonium and depleted uranium, she said. This means more efficient and economically attractive radiochemical technologies for the processing of irradiated fuel and waste management, she added.

"Taken together, they will make the nuclear power of the future in fact renewable with a practically waste-free production chain," she said.

https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Arti ... st-reactor

[Eric]

Meanwhile back in the EU, the hypocrites move the goalposts...

It's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy. They are the rulers and we are the ruled.

[CaptainMels]

It's a very important topic. I have similar views as you do on China for the most part, with the exception being the idea that the CCP is easily toppled. The modern CCP isn't quite what is portrayed in mainstream media - they've evolved a bit. They give their people just enough freedom and hope that outright mass revolt is less likely - a hardened version of the Happy Cow (Slave) theory, one might say.

Everyone's mostly talking about Russia these days, but the focus should be more on China, imo.

Regarding a collapse of the CCP, such an event will be extremely unlikely to pass based on my knowledge. The CCP is far too ingrained in every aspect of daily life as well as the psychology if its people for this to happen. I took 3 years of Chinese in college, and one of those years we were assigned to do a book report for our final project -- I did mine on The Party Forever: Inside China's Modern Communist Elite by Rowan Callick. As a Westerner this book was very eye opening for me; most Westerners are completely ignorant of the CCP's structure and their style of running the country. The author of this book interviewed a number of CCP members and put his findings in this book.

I thought I might share a few takeaways for the sake of discussion, but take my analysis with a grain of salt as this book was published in 2013, and I have not done much research since on the current affairs of the CCP.

• The CCP currently has over 95 million members, but the real decision-making power lies with the Standing Committee, which historically has had between 7-15 members at a time. Although a vast majority of their members don't have any influence on political affairs, most Chinese youths aspire to become a member of the party because CCP members enjoy a host of benefits for themselves and the businesses they run. Being a member of the party opens up many prestigious employment opportunities, but only the top performing youths are selected to join the party. In this way, the CCP exerts its influence in the daily lives of the people.

• In the U.S. and other Western nations, an individual's power is closely tied to their wealth, and they can use that wealth to influence public policy and bribe politicians. In China, however, an individual's influence is based more on their connections to powerful people. In the West, money = power, but in China, power = power, if that makes sense. For example, the top government officials (those in the Standing Committee) actually have relatively low personal salaries, but they use the CCP funds to pay for whatever lavish expense they desire. They also do not associate at all with the "common" people. If they go to a restaurant to eat, they will clear out all the regular folk so they can eat there alone.

• China's economy is more free-market than most Westerners are led to believe. China did not wish to emulate the USSR era "hard-communist" economic policies that led to its collapse. They understand that at least some free-market forces must be embraced to stimulate economic growth. In order to do this without relinquishing the power of the party, they designed a system to integrate the party with the most successful businesses in the country. When the party identifies a Chinese business with good prospects, they will ask the business if the CCP may set up a party branch within that business. If accepted, the business will enjoy access to resources and benefits that it will need to continue growing. In exchange, the business gives up its ability to make even the most mundane of business decisions without explicit approval from the CCP branch within that business. Despite this, the offer is rarely refused and is almost always sought after. In this way the CCP allows the economy just enough freedom to grow while retaining its hold on economic decision-making power. The influence of the party must remain unchallenged by economic forces.

Since the onset of Covid I'm sure many things have changed, but I believe this book is still a good resource for anyone who wishes to know the basics of CCP structure and practices. Since the party is so integrated into the life and culture of China, I don't think there would be enough support for a revolt.

[AstuteShift]

We can theorize about the CCP however I see quite the opposite, tons of corruption, rebellion brewing and demographics not in their favor.

All it takes is one event, one spark and the whole regime can crumble. Perhaps I’m speculating however The data what I’ve seen supports it.

I can’t see Russia and China succeeding. China already infected by the wallstreet banks and it will be game over for them in the future once these parasites fully grow into their system.

If Russia allows these parasites to enter then it’s over for them also. However they’re more interesting than the CCP, the Russians are built for domination provided they can get out this mess however big if lol

If China does not resolve their issues, remove those parasites then they can be used as a pawn for the next global financial crisis imho

I’m no expert however we can all agree something drastic will happen this decade for sure

[Yodean]

Regarding a collapse of the CCP, such an event will be extremely unlikely to pass based on my knowledge. The CCP is far too ingrained in every aspect of daily life as well as the psychology if its people for this to happen.

• The CCP currently has over 95 million members, but the real decision-making power lies with the Standing Committee, which historically has had between 7-15 members at a time. Although a vast majority of their members don't have any influence on political affairs, most Chinese youths aspire to become a member of the party because CCP members enjoy a host of benefits for themselves and the businesses they run. Being a member of the party opens up many prestigious employment opportunities, but only the top performing youths are selected to join the party. In Western nations, an individual's power is closely tied to their wealth, and they can use that wealth to influence public policy and bribe politicians. In China, however, an individual's influence is based more on their connections to powerful people. In the West, money = power, but in China, power = power, if that makes sense.
  
  • China's economy is more free-market than most Westerners are led to believe. They understand that at least some free-market forces must be embraced to stimulate economic growth. In order to do this without relinquishing the power of the party, they designed a system to integrate the party with the most successful businesses in the country. When the party identifies a Chinese business with good prospects, they will ask the business if the CCP may set up a party branch within that business. If accepted, the business will enjoy access to resources and benefits that it will need to continue growing. In exchange, the business gives up its ability to make even the most mundane of business decisions without explicit approval from the CCP branch within that business. Despite this, the offer is rarely refused and is almost always sought after. In this way the CCP allows the economy just enough freedom to grow while retaining its hold on economic decision-making power.

Hmmm, this is quite an excellent post. Of course, I say this because it accords with my views, almost to a tee.



Personally, and at the risk of sounding mildly racist, I do not think anyone can really understand modern China or its people unless she has Asiatic blood, was birthed in an East Asian country, and grew up in a somewhat traditional East Asian household.

Also, this person must have had consumed a large, cumulative amount of dim sum on a sustained, regular basis while growing up, and must currently devour some dim sum at least on a monthly closing basis.

Without the aforementioned qualities, any attempt to understand the deeper levels of Chinese or CCP thinking would most likely result in a superficial and somewhat foolhardy analysis, and provide material for humourous amusement.

On a separate note, there has been discussion in the past on this forum on how Neo-marxist propaganda and programming (under the banner of neo-liberalism) have slowly infected the West's educational and government institutions.

While this is largely true, not enough has been said about how Western materialistic values (think of the West in the '80s, when it was all about how much "stuff" you had) have similarly invaded the Russian and the Chinese of the Millennial and Snowflake vintages.

In addition, while Russia has some potential, it remains an ossified kleptocracy. It is also caught in the middle of the chaos of the Grand Chessboard (GC), with the latter becoming much more active recently.

All those regions near and within the GC are going to have a tough time going forward, imo - you generally want to be away as far as possible from the Grand Chessboard, at this time (i.e. USA, Canada, Australia, even U.K., to some extent), and for the foreseeable future.

I am not tallking about the Surveillance trend, the Neo-marxist pendulum, etc. swinging through the West - those will continue, and grow exponentially.

I am referring more to Black Swans, etc., unexpected and potentially dangerous events that will likely occur in and around an active Grand Chessboard.

Indeed, it is time for astute individuals to pick their poison.

The Dark rises.

[MarkD]

Nuclear is the LT solution. After that maybe solar microwaved from space will be reliable.

Most of the spent fuel residing at reactors can now be reused in modern reactor designs, yet to be approved for construction by the PTB. (Sidebar: a cousin of mine is scared to death of the spent fuel residing at power plants. Tried to enlighten her this past weekend.) The public is scared of something that is very easily managed but the cost will surprise most. It would no longer require transport of highly radioactive material IF sites replaced the current plant with modern designs.

Check out the work performed at the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory. Numerous designs have been submitted for the past 50 years and prototypes tested at the site.

In Tennessee, 50% of the electrical power is from nuclear, about 30% from hydro. Our cost is about 9.25 cents/kWH. nobody is scared.

When we moved from KC, Obama's renewable idiocy created a surge in power cost from 8 cents to nearly 14 cents. Coal is/was the predominant source and has since been pushed out by natural gas. Both are plentiful but Cheney can make more money off of China, where most of the coal is being shipped atm (Check out BTU stock price since Covid was promoted).

Most engineers recognize the future of modular, factory built nuclear plants will increase the reliability and safe operation well beyond what is currently being used in the US.

The public is also probably unaware the Fukushima disaster was entirely avoidable, as pumps at the 1964 GE reactor design were installed below tsunami water level and were flooded; US had moved them by decree of the NRC above the reactor decades ago to prevent what occurred in Japan. Head in sand Japan failed to relocate the pumps as US utilities had done.

Additionally, newer plant designs use siphons, not pumps, as power is not required for operation of this safety feature.

Imperfect for sure, it's still a mechanical safety system, however, the hazards have been way overstated. Why? It's not profitable to produce cheap energy. The PTB hates any form of dis- or deflation for it reduces their power over the masses.

Watched a movie of the Three Mile Island disaster recently. Wife was mortified. I asked her to identify how many individuals had confirmed illnesses identified in the film. There was one. A horrible fate for this young woman and it should never have happened in the first place. But the worst fears were NOT quantified and the folks making the documentary only interviewed maybe ten people. But they PROJECTED millions COULD be negatively impacted. Fake news imo. I have been around radiation. The only negative is I found my way to TI!

I suggest some have now figured it out. Will enough learn from Covid, Ukraine, etc?

[scott]

A perspective on human rights in China, albeit from China Daily.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202207/1 ... 6ba78.html

[Budge]

A perspective on human rights in China, albeit from China Daily.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202207/1 ... 6ba78.html

"The Empire of Lies." The US and aligned countries have become past masters of the fake news/propaganda/psyops and the nickname is well deserved.