So are you saying for a person who is needs-focused must need to want to stop being needy?
I suspect you already know the answer but just in case that is what it takes to stop being needy. Once you eliminate the need to need things you are the master and everything starts to flow in the right direction
I do get it
I used to want a Porsche 911 my youth through early adulthood then realized I dont need it. I need something that gets me back and forth to the inlaws but now realize I need the Porsche again to get out of there as fast as possible.
Seriuosly, once I understood the difference between needs and wants it changed many things for me. It can make you very happy by reducing the threshold for things that really dont make you happy when you have them and the effort it takes to have useless things.
Very hard to teach someone this simple subject so I dont waste my time. They will or wont figure it out and I dont feel the need to help them.
Regarding the relative issue I concur with needing a fast gateway vehicle. I view 90% of relatives as strangers that you happen to be biologically related to that have your worst interests at heart. I don't attend any family gathering with more than 30 family members but Now i am thinking that I need to reduce it to 15 or less. The only reason I still attend some of them is because they provide invaluable MP data but I always go there with extra booze so that i can numb my brain cells and just say yes yes you don't say, really or some other crap other than having to tell them they are full of bullshit.
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Wow just come back to this and the conversation has really moved on!
Lots of wisdom:
Yodaen, you are right, it's the love of money that is the real issue, however, I would add that if one accumulates way beyond their own needs then where is the love for others, from a JC perspective this is immoral!
Sol, "The goal should be to seek peace or tranquility", yes contentment! Why was my initial exchanges with Yodean, horse shit, look what has come from it, so much wisdom being exchanged?
Budge, "Too many love things and use people rather than love people and use things." Buddy, you got it, summed up the parable of the sheep and goats!!!
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
My wife and I downsized with minimal remorse four years ago. It took me a bit to bring her around to this idea that "stuff" can be replaced. We kept a few sentimental items but moved on. There is still too much "stuff" we surround ourselves with but the next time around it will be much easier because we have 1/3 of the crap around.
"You can observe a lot just by watching"
Yogi Berra
“The best lies always contain a grain of truth”
Joakim Palmkvist
MarkD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:40 pm
My wife and I downsized with minimal remorse four years ago. It took me a bit to bring her around to this idea that "stuff" can be replaced. We kept a few sentimental items but moved on. There is still too much "stuff" we surround ourselves with but the next time around it will be much easier because we have 1/3 of the crap around.
Very wise!
We live in a 3 bed end terrace, if I was posh I'd call it semi-detached! I could never live in a palace, I have to do the vacuuming, by the time I got to the end I'd have to start again!
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
bpcw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 3:32 pm
Yodaen, you are right, it's the love of money that is the real issue, however, I would add that if one accumulates way beyond their own needs then where is the love for others, from a JC perspective this is immoral!
I asked Jesus about this, and zee Son of Man emailed me the following clip:
I also consulted my GOG (Guru Of Gurus), Ms. Death Herself, and She just laughed and told me, do some more TGUs, you're gonna die laughing and healthy, but you WILL die, MOFO.
Buy Fear, Sell Euphoria. The Neonatal Calf undergoes an agonizing birthing, while the Bear falls into hibernation.
Yodean wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:40 pm I asked Jesus about this, and zee Son of Man emailed me the following clip:
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I also consulted my GOG (Guru Of Gurus), Ms. Death Herself, and She just laughed and told me, do some more TGUs, you're gonna die laughing and healthy, but you WILL die, MOFO.
Die healthy aye, slight oxymoron there!
Your lady friend (death) will be the last enemy of Jesus to be defeated don't ya know!
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
bpcw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm
Your lady friend (death) will be the last enemy of Jesus to be defeated don't ya know!
The gloves are off, we're getting serious now:
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Buy Fear, Sell Euphoria. The Neonatal Calf undergoes an agonizing birthing, while the Bear falls into hibernation.
bpcw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm
Your lady friend (death) will be the last enemy of Jesus to be defeated don't ya know!
The gloves are off, we're getting serious now:
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Maybe you will BPCW as the Archangel of Origmai
On a more sombre note. I believe this universe or plane or dimension is a test to move to the next level. People seek heaven and fear hell, but both of them are present here and something even worse, worse than fear is the emotion of uncertainty
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The end is always near; its the beginning and how you live each moment that counts the most
bpcw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm
Your lady friend (death) will be the last enemy of Jesus to be defeated don't ya know!
The gloves are off, we're getting serious now:
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Many intellectuals who have set out to prove that Jesus wasn't the son of God who died and resurrected have become his followers.
You are badly mistaken, the myths are those that are created to discredit the truth, and there are many on the internet. If you truly want to find the truth you will find Jesus but the heart is deceptive above all things, do you really want the truth or your own version.
Your lady friend will sure be there to embrace you one day but she might not be who you think she is.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
bpcw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm
Your lady friend (death) will be the last enemy of Jesus to be defeated don't ya know!
The gloves are off, we're getting serious now:
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Maybe you will BPCW as the Archangel of Origmai
On a more sombre note. I believe this universe or plane or dimension is a test to move to the next level. People seek heaven and fear hell, but both of them are present here and something even worse, worse than fear is the emotion of uncertainty
Archangel origami, that sounds interesting
Your religion is interesting Sol, I do genuinely like to hear of other's faith, regularly talk with Muslims, most are really ok and we've prayed together.
I too believe our current physical reality isn't the ultimate one but is spiritual, that is why Jesus said there will come a time when the true worshipers will neither worship on this mountain or in Jerusalem but in Spirit and in Truth.
I would like to ask you a question about your faith. You say that this dimension is a test, so who or what is doing the testing and where did this testing originate.
I believe Heaven and Hell are not physical places, they are existences with or without the presence of God.
You're right about certainty, faith in Christ is described by the apostle Paul: Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
MarkD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:40 pm
My wife and I downsized with minimal remorse four years ago. It took me a bit to bring her around to this idea that "stuff" can be replaced. We kept a few sentimental items but moved on. There is still too much "stuff" we surround ourselves with but the next time around it will be much easier because we have 1/3 of the crap around.
Travelling a lot made me realize that most of the crap I thought I needed was rubbish an illusion created to con myself i needed the things I did not so I decided to more things i thought i needed to things I deemed as wants and that made it easier to focus on the real things that matter. Good food, fresh air, beautiful scenic views, a good night sleep, a chat with a wise person or a good friend and things along the same vein. The less we have the less stress one has. It has to explain until you experience it, So you are on the right track.
When the words short term appear under any post; the same conditions listed in the Market update under the short term category apply
The end is always near; its the beginning and how you live each moment that counts the most
bpcw wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm
Your lady friend (death) will be the last enemy of Jesus to be defeated don't ya know!
The gloves are off, we're getting serious now:
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Many intellectuals who have set out to prove that Jesus wasn't the son of God who died and resurrected have become his followers.
You are badly mistaken, the myths are those that are created to discredit the truth, and there are many on the internet. If you truly want to find the truth you will find Jesus but the heart is deceptive above all things, do you really want the truth or your own version.
Your lady friend will sure be there to embrace you one day but she might not be who you think she is.
My religion as you put is hard to define. I used to say I am spiritual but that concept has been bastardized too much, So now I prefer the term Universal. I embrace the good things, some mischief but reject the evil stuff. In most ways we think along the same lines. So I decided it was pointless to battle you on concepts especially as you are one of the few religious chaps that gave me a run for my money hahaha. You are one hardcore religious Ninja that I would prefer to shake hands with as opposed to shaking fists
In the end there is more than one way to skin a cat. We have similar views but just different ways of looking at them. I have always had a hard time taking a knee to anyone and I don't think I will change in that area. On the same token I don't want nor do i expect anyone to take a knee to me.
When the words short term appear under any post; the same conditions listed in the Market update under the short term category apply
The end is always near; its the beginning and how you live each moment that counts the most
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Many intellectuals who have set out to prove that Jesus wasn't the son of God who died and resurrected have become his followers.
You are badly mistaken, the myths are those that are created to discredit the truth, and there are many on the internet. If you truly want to find the truth you will find Jesus but the heart is deceptive above all things, do you really want the truth or your own version.
Your lady friend will sure be there to embrace you one day but she might not be who you think she is.
My religion as you put is hard to define. I used to say I am spiritual but that concept has been bastardized too much, So now I prefer the term Universal. I embrace the good things, some mischief but reject the evil stuff. In most ways we think along the same lines. So I decided it was pointless to battle you on concepts especially as you are one of the few religious chaps that gave me a run for my money hahaha. You are one hardcore religious Ninja that I would prefer to shake hands with as opposed to shaking fists
In the end there is more than one way to skin a cat. We have similar views but just different ways of looking at them. I have always had a hard time taking a knee to anyone and I don't think I will change in that area. On the same token I don't want nor do i expect anyone to take a knee to me.
Bit of fun between us, we'll have the odd brief exchange I'm sure but no offense taken on either side! Yodean seems like a good guy, same for him too!
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
While Ms. Death is a foregone conclusion for all, the Son of Man is, at best, a poorly constructed myth for intellectually immature children.
When Ms. Death decides its time to wrap Her arms around li'l me, I will smile and look forward to not meeting Jesus, as my personal Kali Yuga Metaverse dissolves into the All Nothingness.
Maybe you will BPCW as the Archangel of Origmai
On a more sombre note. I believe this universe or plane or dimension is a test to move to the next level. People seek heaven and fear hell, but both of them are present here and something even worse, worse than fear is the emotion of uncertainty
Archangel origami, that sounds interesting
Your religion is interesting Sol, I do genuinely like to hear of other's faith, regularly talk with Muslims, most are really ok and we've prayed together.
I too believe our current physical reality isn't the ultimate one but is spiritual, that is why Jesus said there will come a time when the true worshipers will neither worship on this mountain or in Jerusalem but in Spirit and in Truth.
I would like to ask you a question about your faith. You say that this dimension is a test, so who or what is doing the testing and where did this testing originate.
I believe Heaven and Hell are not physical places, they are existences with or without the presence of God.
You're right about certainty, faith in Christ is described by the apostle Paul: Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.
Attacks on religion are another tool to be used to divide us and keep us at each other's throat. Fortunately, in the present case, us folks here are too civilised for that. However, the present world is reminiscent of a sci-fi movie where the baddies have frayed the fabric between worlds in order to release greater evil. That which was hidden in the shadows is now in the open and it has to destroy Christian morality. Cui bono? The "Cabal of Evil" and their attempts at ordo ab chao.
..whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..
Alongside my li'l EBI, I've been tinkering with the nascent creation of my Jesus A.I. System (JAIS).
Essentially, based on available data, the JAIS is designed to tell me what the SOM (Son Of Man) would do in different situations.
It's a work in progress, but interestingly, the JAIS spat this out at me this morning, even though I did not request any specific analysis from the SOM:
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It is fascinating the number of spiritual paths and practices out there that promise to allow you to live in a perpetual state of bliss, including peace of mind, body wellness and abundance—if only you get good enough, do them long enough, are full of grace or just plain lucky. No one ever knows if they are good enough for enlightenment, but it doesn’t stop any of us from trying.
The ways in which we try to feel endlessly good are numerous too. We get more skillful in our methods: perhaps changing our eating and drinking habits to adopt a more “pure” lifestyle, turning away from “base” consciousness changing substances, like alcohol or weed; or turning toward “plant medicine”, ie: ayahuasca or peyote, as well as self-help programs, meditation, yoga, and prayer.
In many ways, the “good” practices we adopt help us believe that we are walking a healthy spiritual path, but can also serve to spiritually distract ourselves from our feelings, using our practices as a way to cover up and suppress the uncomfortable ones.
This defense mechanism is called “spiritual bypassing,” and we use it to shield ourselves from the harsh truths we don’t want to face. It disconnects us from our feelings and helps us avoid seeing the big picture. It is really about checking out rather than checking in and the difference can be so subtle that we don’t even know we are doing it.
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Buy Fear, Sell Euphoria. The Neonatal Calf undergoes an agonizing birthing, while the Bear falls into hibernation.