Geopoltical Interim Update may 4, 2022

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LoriPrecisely wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:16 pm Is it even possible to have a world free of corruption, where everyone acts with integrity?
George Orwell's Animal Farm is a great short read in this regard.

If you don't know it, it's about pigs who overthrow the humans so that they can run the farm along more humane and less unpleasant lines.

The insidious way in which their behaviour changes once they are in charge is very well depicted.

There are a lot of good lines in there - the final one is:


The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 am
LoriPrecisely wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:16 pm Is it even possible to have a world free of corruption, where everyone acts with integrity?
It is possible but highly improbable. To achieve this goal you need what they call a moral dictator, if that makes any sense at all. That dude or dudette would have to physically whack all the undesirables, lock them up or mentally watch them via the lobotomy procedure
I would like to propose myself as moral dictator.

Everyone looks at society the wrong way round. We think people are OK until proven otherwise, and then we try to do something about them.

This is highly inefficient.

In my world, provisionally called the Democratic Republic of Utopia-like Nicety and Kindness (DRUNK), people would be incarcerated at birth until they could categorically prove, to a panel of impartial judges (me), that they might be a benefit to society. Then they would be let out on licence.

Provisionally.

All hail Harry The Righteous!

And they did tremble and cower in the shadows before his frightening majesty.





I see it going something like that. Plus free booze for all, of course. Woohoo!
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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:50 am
SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 am
LoriPrecisely wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:16 pm Is it even possible to have a world free of corruption, where everyone acts with integrity?
It is possible but highly improbable. To achieve this goal you need what they call a moral dictator, if that makes any sense at all. That dude or dudette would have to physically whack all the undesirables, lock them up or mentally watch them via the lobotomy procedure
I would like to propose myself as moral dictator.

Everyone looks at society the wrong way round. We think people are OK until proven otherwise, and then we try to do something about them.

This is highly inefficient.

In my world, provisionally called the Democratic Republic of Utopia-like Nicety and Kindness (DRUNK), people would be incarcerated at birth until they could categorically prove, to a panel of impartial judges (me), that they might be a benefit to society. Then they would be let out on licence.

Provisionally.

All hail Harry The Righteous!

And they did tremble and cower in the shadows before his frightening majesty.





I see it going something like that. Plus free booze for all, of course. Woohoo!

Harry, I swear you must have been something akin to Dave Allen in a previous life. You have a truly in-depth sense of humour. You broach all topics, light and dark, and you are able to add humour to it

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SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:56 am Taking a long term view investing for the future is going to look very different once Real AI comes into play. Hint for one the stock market will be eliminated for in the real sense its a very inefficient mechanism that produces a lot of waste and does not deliver what it promises at least to the majority of players. More on this in the future.
Interesting you should say that, there is a psychic on Telegram 'Utsava" who claims the stock market is going away. She did sorta rightly predict FB was going away, but it has not really gone away completely, yet.
That would really stink, because I am just learning about Option Trading, and it almost seems too good to be real. Usually, when that is the case, it is. :cry:
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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:50 am I would like to propose myself as moral dictator.
All hail Harry The Righteous!

I hear you, Harry, but we already have a conflict because I want to be the dictator, and I will be the one to decide what is moral and immoral. And, I say, "No booze." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 am It is possible but highly improbable. To achieve this goal you need what they call a moral dictator, if that makes any sense at all. That dude or dudette would have to physically whack all the undesirables, lock them up or mentally whack them via the lobotomy procedure
But, isn't that already being violent, destructive, cruel and immoral? I think we have come full circle. :mrgreen:
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LoriPrecisely wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:57 pm
SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 am It is possible but highly improbable. To achieve this goal you need what they call a moral dictator, if that makes any sense at all. That dude or dudette would have to physically whack all the undesirables, lock them up or mentally whack them via the lobotomy procedure
But, isn't that already being violent, destructive, cruel and immoral? I think we have come full circle. :mrgreen:
This then begets the question are all humans conscious and based on their actions one would have to conclude that most are asleep with the potential to be conscious. But that is different from being conscious
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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:23 am George Orwell's Animal Farm is a great short read in this regard.
If you don't know it, it's about pigs who overthrow the humans so that they can run the farm along more humane and less unpleasant lines.
The insidious way in which their behaviour changes once they are in charge is very well depicted.
There are a lot of good lines in there - the final one is:

The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
I have read this book. It was disturbing how quickly and easily the pigs became corrupt, and, also, how the other animals still wanted to trust the pigs, and did what they were told.
Orwell also wrote "1984" in 1949. Similar theme. He quite accurately predicted gov't corruption, surveillance and control similar to what we have now with all the surveillance cameras and the gov't control. Creepy!!
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SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:56 am
LoriPrecisely wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 1:01 am
AstuteShift wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 12:39 am Morality is all relative

Imho the only thing that will helps us to advance our potential is AI

Super advanced AI, it will not have the same weaknesses if any compared to most humans who view themselves as superior but are actually bots or squirrels in a park lol
AI can only do what it is programned to do. It has no conscious of its own. Thus it is doomed to repeat. :ugeek:
If you look at it humans are nothing but biological bots or a lower form of AI. I forgot where I read it but one researcher stated there was so much junk code lying around in the human body. Yes I mean code like machine code and it appeared we were created hastily as the coding was not that great.

If you work along the lines that we are biological bots or bio AI as AI comes down to computing power and in that sense humans currently have the most computing power relative to other species. One AI unit will eventually have more computing power than the entire human race. Well before that point is reached, AI will achieve consciousness and at a much higher level than 99.9% of most humans. Human consciousness is overrated in terms of its scope and value. Most humans are not even conscious so there is that also to consider. AI will also have the power to self diagnose, self-correct due to identifying the error correctly and eventually upgrade due to having the ability to recode broken sections.

Taking a long term view investing for the future is going to look very different once Real AI comes into play.Hint for one the stock market will be eliminated for in the real sense its a very inefficient mechanism that produces a lot of waste and does not deliver what it promises at least to the majority of players. More on this in the future.
As I've stated before, I do not believe that processing power equates to consciousness or the qualities of the human being holistically.

The fact that there is lots of junk code can be explained through the fall, when sin entered the creation, the whole of creation fell and so rather than evolution we infact have devolution, yes nature can adapt and scientific progress can alleviate the decline but ultimately we are devolving, in scientific terms it's described as entropy. It is the reason why siblings could procreate in the beginning until God declared that they could no longer if closely related, because our genetics had degraded to a level that it could produce unhealthy offspring.

https://www.kolbecenter.org/genetic-entropy/
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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:50 am
SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 am
LoriPrecisely wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:16 pm Is it even possible to have a world free of corruption, where everyone acts with integrity?
It is possible but highly improbable. To achieve this goal you need what they call a moral dictator, if that makes any sense at all. That dude or dudette would have to physically whack all the undesirables, lock them up or mentally watch them via the lobotomy procedure
I would like to propose myself as moral dictator.

Everyone looks at society the wrong way round. We think people are OK until proven otherwise, and then we try to do something about them.

This is highly inefficient.

In my world, provisionally called the Democratic Republic of Utopia-like Nicety and Kindness (DRUNK), people would be incarcerated at birth until they could categorically prove, to a panel of impartial judges (me), that they might be a benefit to society. Then they would be let out on licence.

Provisionally.

All hail Harry The Righteous!

And they did tremble and cower in the shadows before his frightening majesty.





I see it going something like that. Plus free booze for all, of course. Woohoo!
I'll vote for ya 'arry, if only for free booze :lol: :lol:

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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:50 am
SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 am
LoriPrecisely wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:16 pm Is it even possible to have a world free of corruption, where everyone acts with integrity?
It is possible but highly improbable. To achieve this goal you need what they call a moral dictator, if that makes any sense at all. That dude or dudette would have to physically whack all the undesirables, lock them up or mentally watch them via the lobotomy procedure
I would like to propose myself as moral dictator.

Everyone looks at society the wrong way round. We think people are OK until proven otherwise, and then we try to do something about them.

This is highly inefficient.

In my world, provisionally called the Democratic Republic of Utopia-like Nicety and Kindness (DRUNK), people would be incarcerated at birth until they could categorically prove, to a panel of impartial judges (me), that they might be a benefit to society. Then they would be let out on licence.

Provisionally.

All hail Harry The Righteous!

And they did tremble and cower in the shadows before his frightening majesty.





I see it going something like that. Plus free booze for all, of course. Woohoo!
My name's Harry and so's my wife! (Remember where that's from with a slight change)?
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SOL wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 8:34 am Harry, I swear you must have been something akin to Dave Allen in a previous life. You have a truly in-depth sense of humour. You broach all topics, light and dark, and you are able to add humour to it
That's a very nice thing to say. Dave Allen was a true comic genius. If I can raise the odd smile then I'm happy with that.

LoriPrecisely wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:54 pm I hear you, Harry, but we already have a conflict because I want to be the dictator, and I will be the one to decide what is moral and immoral. And, I say, "No booze." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
With a manifesto like that you have no chance. To the Dungeons with you!

LoriPrecisely wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:04 pm I have read this book. It was disturbing how quickly and easily the pigs became corrupt, and, also, how the other animals still wanted to trust the pigs, and did what they were told.
Yes, that's another important aspect.

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

Budge wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:35 pm
I'll vote for ya 'arry, if only for free booze :lol: :lol:

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All hail Price 'Arry (hmm doesn't sound quite right given the recent plonker of the same name. Anyway, we can work on that).

Thank you kind sir. Can't beat free booze 8-)

My Harry predates that Harry, but you are correct, it sounds a bit tame now.

Call me Holly.

bpcw wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:42 pm
My name's Harry and so's my wife! (Remember where that's from with a slight change)?
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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:49 pm
My name's Harry and so's my wife! (Remember where that's from with a slight change)?

Life of Brian?
You got it! Put a nice clip from the movie up in the comedy section couldn't find this actual one!
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harryg wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 4:49 pmt.

LoriPrecisely wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:54 pm I hear you, Harry, but we already have a conflict because I want to be the dictator, and I will be the one to decide what is moral and immoral. And, I say, "No booze." :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
With a manifesto like that you have no chance. To the Dungeons with you!

I am afraid i have to concur with Harry, booze has a way of liberating minds. Sometimes I use it to stop my mind from overthinking but the masses need it because they don't think at all :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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LoriPrecisely wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:51 pm Interesting you should say that, there is a psychic on Telegram 'Utsava" who claims the stock market is going away. She did sorta rightly predict FB was going away, but it has not really gone away completely, yet.
That would really stink, because I am just learning about Option Trading, and it almost seems too good to be real. Usually, when that is the case, it is. :cry:
Utsava was right about FB - it changed to Meta, so in a sense, FB "died" and went away, to be reborn.

As for the stock markets disappearing - maybe in 100 years, +/- 1000. AI may change aspects of the markets, certainly.

The stock markets are an incredible, consistent way for money to flow from the top 13% or so to the top 0.13%.
TSMF ain't gonna let 'em go - at least not in my lifetime (I'm 48.84 in human years).

So keep on learning those option trades. I'm starting to add ITM LEAPS to my growing arsenal of options' tools.

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