West's duplicitous double standards: Russia War

[Yodean]

If braveheart wanted freedom he would not have been screaming it he would have been living it

Yah, but Jesus is keeping Braveheart company in Heaven, teaching the latter how to turn water into wine. Or perhaps Braveheart is drinking some really high quality Russian vodka in Valhalla with Genghis Khan. The third possibility is that he is on virgin #33 of 72 granted by Allah.

If a man has not discovered something he is willing to die for, he is not a man. Not in my books, anyways.

[SOL]

If braveheart wanted freedom he would not have been screaming it he would have been living it

If a man has not discovered something he is willing to die for, he is not a man. Not in my books, anyways.
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That analogy is okay for level 3 or for those who seek to become extra ordinary in an otherwise ordinary playing field, the idea is to be beyond a regular man, or beyond what is classified as a typical human. Dying for something is foolhardy living is the key to it. People focus on dying but not on living, that is the true tragedy of all the myths that convert fools into heroes. They promote the idea that dying for something is good. For heavens sake everything is downhill from the time you are born as far as time. don't be in a rush to die, for that outcome is all but guaranteed, living is the real test as most don't live, they simply exist

[Yodean]

People focus on dying but not on living, that is the true tragedy of all the myths that convert fools into heroes. They promote the idea that dying for something is good. For heavens sake everything is downhill from the time you are born as far as time. don't be in a rush to die, for that outcome is all but guaranteed, living is the real test as most don't live, they simply exist

Agree with you there, definitely. However, to truly Live, one must be willing to embrace Death in the next moment, fully. Only then can one truly Live. Both sides must be embraced.

As for Level 3, etc., there is the LBAL (Level Beyond All Levels). The idea of "Levels" is in itself an intellectual, Level 3 construction.

Ouspensksy died a drunk, quite terribly. My understanding is that on his deathbed, he told his followers to ignore everything he had written about the 4th Way and instead to trust their own direct experience.

I believe a brown dude named Siddartha had said something similar a few thousand years previous ...

[SOL]

People focus on dying but not on living, that is the true tragedy of all the myths that convert fools into heroes. They promote the idea that dying for something is good. For heavens sake everything is downhill from the time you are born as far as time. don't be in a rush to die, for that outcome is all but guaranteed, living is the real test as most don't live, they simply exist

Agree with you there, definitely. However, to truly Live, one must be willing to embrace Death in the next moment, fully. Only then can one truly Live. Both sides must be embraced.

As for Level 3, etc., there is the LBAL (Level Beyond All Levels). The idea of "Levels" is in itself an intellectual, Level 3 construction.

Ouspensksy died a drunk, quite terribly. My understanding is that on his deathbed, he told his followers to ignore everything he had written about the 4th Way and instead to trust their own direct experience.

I believe a brown dude named Siddartha had said something similar a few thousand years previous ...

I studied the 4th way extensively as I am officially a member of the oldest group which is based in New York I had access to many books that the average person does not have. I was placed in the highest group there, why I don't know. You don't ask for it. They interview you and you meet with one of the top guys for months maybe years before you are allowed in. I was approved after 9 months after one of one meetings and the dude decided that I would make a good candidate. Only when i went to the first group meeting did I realize i was in one of the older groups as everyone there was doing this for at least 10 years, the oldest member was part of the group for over 50 years. Btw Bill Murray is a member but not of the group I was in. Long story short, i found out that the 4th way was being duplicated. in other words, nothing new was done or added since G passed away. All the dances, the mediation, exercises, etc. was robotic. I stopped attending roughly 12 months later. I can go back anytime, but i found that everyone was asleep, doing the very thing they were trying to avoid.

O's (Ouspensky's) problem was that he advanced too far and he wanted company. He could not stand to be alone with this knowledge so he resorted to drinking. When you step out of the box you have to embrace loneliness for when you do you are not alone anymore. I still think O was a brilliant, his failing he wanted to awaken others and that lead to his demise. He should have celebrated the fact that he could see what others could not, instead he fell for the proverbial trap, looking for company and hence the saying misery loves company

Remember as per the law of balancing leaders must lead losers, hence my reason of never wanting to be a leader

[Yodean]

I studied the 4th way extensively as I am officially a member of the oldest group which is based in New York I had access to many books that the average person does not have. I was placed in the highest group there, why I don't know. You don't ask for it. They interview you and you meet with one of the top guys for months maybe years before you are allowed in. I was approved after 9 months after one of one meetings and the dude decided that I would make a good candidate. Only when i went to the first group meeting did I realize i was in one of the older groups as everyone there was doing this for at least 10 years, the oldest member was part of the group for over 50 years. Btw Bill Murray is a member but not of the group I was in. Long story short, i found out that the 4th way was being duplicated. in other words, nothing new was done or added since G passed away. All the dances, the mediation, exercises, etc. was robotic. I stopped attending roughly 12 months later. I can go back anytime, but i found that everyone was asleep, doing the very thing they were trying to avoid.

O's (Ouspensky's) problem was that he advanced too far and he wanted company. He could not stand to be alone with this knowledge so he resorted to drinking. When you step out of the box you have to embrace loneliness for when you do you are not alone anymore. I still think O was a brilliant, his failing he wanted to awaken others and that lead to his demise. He should have celebrated the fact that he could see what others could not, instead he fell for the proverbial trap, looking for company and hence the saying misery loves company

Thanks for sharing, Sol. I achieved my primary objective with my inflammatory, bombastic posts: to induce you to share more about your 4th Way experiences. I find esoteric subjects quite interesting, to say the least.

I think the 4th Way is still very useful to "get" an individual to progress and evolve to a certain point - just like many other paths may be, for different individuals - but the final step, if there is ever a final step, will be when said individual lets go of all formal teachings, and jumps into the Unknown, trusting fully in Direct Experience.

It's like one needs a boat to cross a river. But after one crosses the river, if one keeps holding on to the boat, one's progress will be slowed. The boat represents anything one is taught. At some point, one has to let go and take that leap into the abyss, to progress beyond the teachings.

But yeh, the ability to be happy, or at peace, alone is one of the most valuable qualities one may develop.

[Budge]

If braveheart wanted freedom he would not have been screaming it he would have been living it

Yah, but Jesus is keeping Braveheart company in Heaven, teaching the latter how to turn water into wine. Or perhaps Braveheart is drinking some really high quality Russian vodka in Valhalla with Genghis Khan. The third possibility is that he is on virgin #33 of 72 granted by Allah.

If a man has not discovered something he is willing to die for, he is not a man. Not in my books, anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVE5d2PLWP0

And another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG48Ftsr3OI

[AstuteShift]

If a man has not discovered something he is willing to die for, he is not a man. Not in my books, anyways.

We all going to die but I find it disturbing to fight for a cause just for the sake of it. Being brave and courage to me stands in actually being virtually selfish and going after what you really want. Helping others is always optional.

Remember, Platos Allegory of the Cave is a unstoppable truth. No one has been able to wake up the masses

[Budge]

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
(Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley)

The latest from Martin Armstrong does not make good reading:

"Our computer warned back in 2013 that Ukraine would be the place where World War III would begin. I warned that the ONLY way to prevent that was to split Ukraine based on the language. While the propaganda is that Kyiv is fighting for freedom and democracy, they have refused to allow Donbas to vote and recognize their independence. The hatred in the West of the Russian-speaking East is well documented. It stems from the period of Stalin’ starving of 7 million Ukrainians to pretend that Communism was working. The fact that Stalin was not Russian but a Georgian has been lost in the pages of history."

"The Nazi Ukrainian troops are clinging to control of the steel plant in Mariupol. Our sources say that the Russian troops have breached their defenses and hand-to-hand combat is even taking place inside. They have asked for support from Kyiv, but so far that is not coming. This is the final stronghold and this fierce attack is to deliver the Kremlin a victory against the Nazis days ahead of a major Russian military holiday on Monday."

"The steel plant is the last area in Mariupol still under Ukrainian control, and its fall would be a blow to Kyiv. Putin again called Macron for he is the only leader who appears to be interested in a peace agreement. Putin misjudged that the West NEEDS war with Russia and they are counting on the belief that he will not use nuclear weapons."

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/worl ... d-war-iii/

[Yodean]

We all going to die but I find it disturbing to fight for a cause just for the sake of it. Being brave and courage to me stands in actually being virtually selfish and going after what you really want. Helping others is always optional.

Agreed. I do subscribe to Rand's "the virtue of being selfish" - in the sense of rational self-interest, and not taking advantage of others in the process. Following your own path, really.

For me, it's not necessarily about "dying" for someone else, or to save anyone in particular.

Playing with the Fourth Way (4W) a bit, and I know you've delved enough into the 4W to know what I am talking about - let's say you have a bunch of "I's" inside you, like most - i.e. one "I" that cares about money, another that cares about how much others like you, another that cares about your looks, etc. - it's the willingness and strength to "kill" or let those I's "die," in order that your Magnetic Centre (MC) may continue to evolve and grow to its full potential.

In my experience, a lot of one's little I's must be "killed," or "die," for one's MC to grow.

I am speaking of Ms. Death in this fashion - more in a metaphorical sense.

But also something far more concrete, as well: let's take physical pain out of the equation, for the following example: I suspect there are many on this forum who would be willing to give up their lives for their children, if there were no other choice - i.e. they have to make a choice between their life and the lives of their children.

[AstuteShift]

Indeed, letting go of those “I”s, going through periods of struggle and then realizing the mere act of moving forward is an act of ascension itself.

Recently went to a cemetery and felt actually frightened. The fear of death gripping me, so I took some notes down. I plan to go again after some time and see how I react once more

[SOL]

I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
(Ozymandias by Percy Bysshe Shelley)

The latest from Martin Armstrong does not make good reading:

"Our computer warned back in 2013 that Ukraine would be the place where World War III would begin. I warned that the ONLY way to prevent that was to split Ukraine based on the language. While the propaganda is that Kyiv is fighting for freedom and democracy, they have refused to allow Donbas to vote and recognize their independence. The hatred in the West of the Russian-speaking East is well documented. It stems from the period of Stalin’ starving of 7 million Ukrainians to pretend that Communism was working. The fact that Stalin was not Russian but a Georgian has been lost in the pages of history."

"The Nazi Ukrainian troops are clinging to control of the steel plant in Mariupol. Our sources say that the Russian troops have breached their defenses and hand-to-hand combat is even taking place inside. They have asked for support from Kyiv, but so far that is not coming. This is the final stronghold and this fierce attack is to deliver the Kremlin a victory against the Nazis days ahead of a major Russian military holiday on Monday."

"The steel plant is the last area in Mariupol still under Ukrainian control, and its fall would be a blow to Kyiv. Putin again called Macron for he is the only leader who appears to be interested in a peace agreement. Putin misjudged that the West NEEDS war with Russia and they are counting on the belief that he will not use nuclear weapons."

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/worl ... d-war-iii/

Cool poem if that's what it is. Very cool indeed.

As for Nuclear war, if that starts no need to worry how high or low the markets go, for either way it won't matter and I am not going to hide in some bunker only to live like a rat for decades. However, we must remember that warmongers in general are cowards and they are not going to want to go in a blaze of glory. Even if they have bunkers to hide in, that life will be miserable compared to what they had.

While cooler minds might not prevail, fearful ones certainly will.

[SOL]

Indeed, letting go of those “I”s, going through periods of struggle and then realizing the mere act of moving forward is an act of ascension itself.

Recently went to a cemetery and felt actually frightened. The fear of death gripping me, so I took some notes down. I plan to go again after some time and see how I react once more

The fear part is usually connected with not knowing if there is something after this step. However, if we look at life from the day you are born, everything occurs in steps. You can't run without crawling and then learning to walk. Everything you do or achieve takes some effort, so you are kind of moving through levels. Hence given that humans are so emotionally unstable and fickle and controlled by multiple personalities, it is impossible for anyone to come remotely close to perfection even if they lived a 1000 years. Hence this plane must be just one of the many planes in an otherwise lengthy journey. Either that or we are holograms in a holographic world or we are simulations on some super-intelligent race's computer. They are modelling various scenarios

[Budge]

Cool poem if that's what it is. Very cool indeed.

As for Nuclear war, if that starts no need to worry how high or low the markets go, for either way it won't matter and I am not going to hide in some bunker only to live like a rat for decades. However, we must remember that warmongers in general are cowards and they are not going to want to go in a blaze of glory. Even if they have bunkers to hide in, that life will be miserable compared to what they had.

While cooler minds might not prevail, fearful ones certainly will.

It's a sonnet and its background is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

Re: nuclear war, I feel oh so comfortable having purchased another home about six miles from the world's largest naval station. Hint: it's in the US.

[SOL]

Cool poem if that's what it is. Very cool indeed.

As for Nuclear war, if that starts no need to worry how high or low the markets go, for either way it won't matter and I am not going to hide in some bunker only to live like a rat for decades. However, we must remember that warmongers in general are cowards and they are not going to want to go in a blaze of glory. Even if they have bunkers to hide in, that life will be miserable compared to what they had.

While cooler minds might not prevail, fearful ones certainly will.

It's a sonnet and its background is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

Re: nuclear war, I feel oh so comfortable having purchased another home about six miles from the world's largest naval station. Hint: it's in the US.

Would it be fair to say that a sonnet is a poem with a set structure or would that be pushing the envelope too far

[Budge]

Cool poem if that's what it is. Very cool indeed.

As for Nuclear war, if that starts no need to worry how high or low the markets go, for either way it won't matter and I am not going to hide in some bunker only to live like a rat for decades. However, we must remember that warmongers in general are cowards and they are not going to want to go in a blaze of glory. Even if they have bunkers to hide in, that life will be miserable compared to what they had.

While cooler minds might not prevail, fearful ones certainly will.

It's a sonnet and its background is here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

Re: nuclear war, I feel oh so comfortable having purchased another home about six miles from the world's largest naval station. Hint: it's in the US.

Would it be fair to say that a sonnet is a poem with a set structure or would that be pushing the envelope too far

Yes, that would be fair:

"A sonnet is a one-stanza, 14-line poem, written in iambic pentameter. The sonnet, which derived from the Italian word sonetto, meaning “a little sound or song," is "a popular classical form that has compelled poets for centuries," says Poets.org. The most common—and simplest—type is known as the English or Shakespearean sonnet, but there are several other types."