Options Trading, The Wheel Strategy and anything Options

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Eric wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 1:55 pm

OIL was not the right position to make (??) at the moment, but whatever, I am learning and it is fun in a sick kind of way.

I took some profits already on a nice little swing-trade with oil, that lasted only a few days - if I actually cared about "average annualized return," which I don't - I don't use that metric, I only care about the actual amount of $$$ made or lost - but if I did, it would be something like +2000% APR.

Used SCO as per BossNinja's suggestion, started buying lots when oil was between $115-$120, and the plan was to keep adding lots until oil was > $150; of course, oil dropped, so I took profits on 2/3rds of the position when oil dropped below $105;

Now, rinse and repeat for me ... if oil breaks $120 again, start buying more lots, etc.

This is a simple, "high visibility" trade for me, and quite profitable, so far.

No Dark Force (e.g. options) was used this time around ... :lol:
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Personally I’m waiting for the dollar to cool off on the weekly timescales then piling on UUP calls

If the FED does rate hikes, then bonds will take a hit but that’s just a signal to get in. TMF and supercharging with 2024 TLT leaps if the markets correct massively would lead to monster gains.
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SOL wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:26 am Your statement that I boldface warrants a tougher look. In case the email that was sent to you does not get through. I think this picture will cement your look better :)
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I just have to point out that I said "Zuck commits suicide" and not "Zuck gets suicided" (unless he's done something to piss off Hillary Clinton). :lol:
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Eric wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:22 pm I just have to point out that I said "Zuck commits suicide" and not "Zuck gets suicided" (unless he's done something to piss off Hillary Clinton). :lol:
The thing is, rumour has it that Mark Z. has a bit of Rothschild blood, so he's prolly gonna outlive your grandchildren's grandchildren.
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AstuteShift wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:46 pm If the FED does rate hikes, then bonds will take a hit but that’s just a signal to get in. TMF and supercharging with 2024 TLT leaps if the markets correct massively would lead to monster gains.
I think the first two 25 basis point hikes are more or less baked into the markets. I don't think there's too many coming after that.

TMF and the '24 TLT LEAPs look good in Q3/4, I am guessing. I suspect the TIT will issue some of those plays later in this year.
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Hello, I have a newbie options question. :) I sold a put w strike price of $50. Today is the expiration date. The price of the stock is well below $50. I assumed that the stock would be ‘put’ into my account? However, nothing has shown up. Does the buyer have to do it before closing? Thank you in advance
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It'll probably show up Monday. It seems to take up to 2 trading days for things to settle (though I'm not sure why in the age of super computers and microsecond algorithmic trading...

Out of curiosity, what was the stock?
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Ahhhh… I thought it would be instantaneous like when we buy a stock. It pops into our account. :)

It is TQQQ…. Not a stock. I’m not too worried since I wanted to buy it anyways. Plus, it’s been bouncing all around 40-50’s within same week. I wanted to try out puts after reading about selling them here. Thanks!!
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Mindie333 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:33 am Ahhhh… I thought it would be instantaneous like when we buy a stock. It pops into our account. :)

It is TQQQ…. Not a stock. I’m not too worried since I wanted to buy it anyways. Plus, it’s been bouncing all around 40-50’s within same week. I wanted to try out puts after reading about selling them here. Thanks!!
Yea If it expires on Friday then the assignment will be done by Monday. Back in the old days the markets were open on Saturday, I’d say they should open them again on Saturday lol
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Standing up to my Avatar, I generated a spreadsheet to track options. I feel it is necessary for me since I will be leveraging the Wheel Strategy to open and close positions. I understand that some may think this strategy as gimmicky, but I like how you can focus on your cost basis getting in and out of positions that you want to buy and sell. I am not promoting this strategy but wanted to share my real-life use of something that I believe will be helpful and want to share for your constructive (or destructive - up to you) feedback and when I get to a stable format, I will share with you if you choose to use it. Please keep in mind to use at your own risk (if you choose to use it) and I am not promoting any stocks.

Here is the PW to open and you should have Excel on your computer to use it:
Link: MAJORS FLAWS FOUND. Sorry. I wll continue working it

Remember this is a work in progress and I only have STO CSPs (Sell to Open, Cash Secured Puts) in the sheet. I will continue to work on it as I perform some BTC (Buy to Close) CSPs and STO or BTC CCs (Cover Calls). The goal is to eventually get shares put to me (BECAUSE I WANT TO BUY THEM; do not do this unless you want to buy the shares) at a reduced cost basis and then eventually I want to leverage these shares to do CCs and try to reduce my cost basis even further when getting ready to sell them (if I choose to sell in 100-share blocks).

This is not for everyone and for me personally, I can only do this for stocks that are << $100 per share because (1) I don't really have enough $$ to do this all the time for many securities and (2) I don't want to tie up too much of my capital or shares as a practice. I only plan to use this process for a small part of my portfolio (small defined by each person).
Also note that I am extremely new to this, but once I latch onto something, I find that building a process helps me learn and understand it. Your comments are welcomed.

When you open the sheet, I have a description of it at the bottom.

Enjoy or take a crap on it; up to you.
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AstuteShift wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 4:00 am
Mindie333 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 3:33 am Ahhhh… I thought it would be instantaneous like when we buy a stock. It pops into our account. :)

It is TQQQ…. Not a stock. I’m not too worried since I wanted to buy it anyways. Plus, it’s been bouncing all around 40-50’s within same week. I wanted to try out puts after reading about selling them here. Thanks!!
Yea If it expires on Friday then the assignment will be done by Monday. Back in the old days the markets were open on Saturday, I’d say they should open them again on Saturday lol
Lolll Markets open on Sat would certainly create an interesting dynamic. The fund was put into my account today.
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SOL wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 5:33 am If one has the patience then one of the best ways to get into TI recommendations would be to sell puts on plays that we issue (lower risk and ones that you like). You might not get all the shares assigned to your account but you will be walking away with a good profit. When the shares are assigned you will get in at a price that is generally 5 to 10% lower than any other TI member that has not used this strategy. It would relatively easy to earn over 20% using this strategy per year and your risk would be reduced by a factor of at least 75%. However, as they say most individuals while claiming to be risk-averse don't want to follow a boring strategy that over the long run yields incredibly superior results. These low-risk traders are risk-averse based on perceptions (in other words they perceive themselves to be risk-averse) but their actions illustrate that they are risk-takers and the worst kind of risk-takers otherwise known as gamblers. In other words, the secret desire to lose syndrome is what afflicts 90% of individuals.

For obvious reasons we cannot put this great strategy into play as it would be a nightmare dealing with the emails and fills and then assignments. However, we can provide guidance for this strategy. Eventually, our goal is to not only offer advisory services but real teaching services where individuals are taught tips, tricks and strategies to maximize their gains without having to take undue risk and without any of the hyperbolae that comes when one signs up for most services. However, there is no timeline yet for this. It will be done when the time is right or my parrot learns to curse in three languages.

Here is a potential way to turbocharge a put/ covered call selling strategy.

You have a share in a stock. Look for a call that offers a good premium. aim for the shortest time possible. If the stock is trading close to your strike price. Sell a put that offers a decent premium but with the shortest time premium one can find. Now if the shares are taken from you because the stock closed above your strike price. you will now earn another premium from the put you sold. In this manner, you potentially double your return. You can then wait for a pullback before getting into the stock again or look for a replacement candidate and start the whole process again.

Another variation if you are not looking to sell puts would be to buy the original call back and sell another call that is further out of the money; this method is for those that want to hold onto the stock.

Another option one should never forget is to use the DRIP option on any stock that offers a dividend. Combine this with the selling of covered calls and cash puts and it can really add up over the years.

The best time to put the Selling covered put and Selling cash put combo strategy into play is when the stock is trading around the neutrall zone on the monthly charts. The MACD's should be trading below 65.00 or any indicator that you use should be at most trading below the minium overbought ranges. This represents the optimum period to sell both

Look at the image below.

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Why is it the optimum period to sell both, because of volatility. You can use it to jump in and out of covered calls or cash puts or sell them with short time premium so that your odds of winning are high.

The best time to sell a put if you are looking for a large premium and looking to get in at a price that is possibly even better than an screaming buy is when the stock is trading in the insanely oversold ranges. First of all the premium will be high and secondly if it gets assigned to you will get in at a mouth watering price. The best time to sell covered calls if you want to hold onto the stock is when the stock is trading in the insanely overbought ranges. Another option would be to sell a covered call that is 1 to 2 dollars out of the money, which means the odds of the stock being called will be high. Then you wait for the stock to pullback and sell a put to get in at a lower price. To ensure that you get in, after the stock has pulled back sell a put that is 1 to 2 dollars out of the money. Another option let the stock get called and use those funds to get into another strong stock that is trading in the oversold ranges. Better yet sell a put on it and once assigned start selling far out of the money calls.
I re-posted this bit that BossJedi wrote last month as I found it quite useful. Apart from selling some cash-secured puts and participating in the TIT's official option trades, I am fairly virgin to options, so it took me a few reads to really understand the content. Also, there are the usual syntactical and grammatical misadventures for which BJ is quite well-known, which made it slightly more challenging.

Special thanks also to TIT subs who also posted and wrote about their non-TIT-sanctioned options plays, in particular Eric (like making sure you know when the next earnings report is coming out if you're trading short-term), as well as the EWS (ExcelNinja's Wheel Strategy). Reading and thinking through those examples helped.

Been SCC'ing a lot (Sell Covered Calls) recently, and SPTO'ing (Sell Puts To Own) a bit. Using a lot of margin for my established position trades, so the premiums more than cover the interest charges and provide additional income.

Shoulda been doing this years ago, really. Ah well. Better late than never, onwards and forwards ...
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