Any thoughts on this plant-based, high protein meal replacement shakes?

[xkosmox]

Sustenance.com.sg/products/low-carb-shakes-bundle-of-5 is the meal replacement shake im considering as a filling, healthier night supper choice. Any thoughts?

[Triplethought]

Sustenance.com.sg/products/low-carb-shakes-bundle-of-5 is the meal replacement shake im considering as a filling, healthier night supper choice. Any thoughts?

Read the small book "Relax & Enjoy your food" by Craig Good. Great review on nutritional science, supplements, vitamins and the like.

One of the key takeaways: "don't take nutritional advice from any website that has a shopping cart". Funny stuff.

[SOL]

Sustenance.com.sg/products/low-carb-shakes-bundle-of-5 is the meal replacement shake im considering as a filling, healthier night supper choice. Any thoughts?

I generally don't eat anything substantial after 7, usually, before the sunsets. But I will drink after that If i am hungry after 7 i will snack on a banana or some other fruit. Bananas also help with sleeping issues if one has the same. All this packaged stuff is generally rubbish. Nothing beats good natural food. We all have to take supplements but I am not going to start having my dinner or lunch out of plastic trash bottle

And here is some interesting information on why eating healthy, keeping your stress levels low, avoiding the wrong oils, etc, are crucial to a healthy and long life. We have always stated good health is far more valuable than wealth. Without good health, all the wealth in the world is worth zilch.

https://butternutrition.com/why-cancer- ... rents-day/

[Triplethought]

Sustenance.com.sg/products/low-carb-shakes-bundle-of-5 is the meal replacement shake im considering as a filling, healthier night supper choice. Any thoughts?

I generally don't eat anything substantial after 7, usually, before the sunsets. But I will drink after that If i am hungry after 7 i will snack on a banana or some other fruit. Bananas also help with sleeping issues if one has the same. All this packaged stuff is generally rubbish. Nothing beats good natural food. We all have to take supplements but I am not going to start having my dinner or lunch out of plastic trash bottle

And here is some interesting information on why eating healthy, keeping your stress levels low, avoiding the wrong oils, etc, are crucial to a healthy and long life. We have always stated good health is far more valuable than wealth. Without good health, all the wealth in the world is worth zilch.

https://butternutrition.com/why-cancer- ... rents-day/

Other thoughts from the book "relax and enjoy your food"

• Food is not medicine - no matter who states that it is in a loud firm voice.
  Our bodies are adapted to eat a wide variety of things
  Any diet with a name is probably bogus (you will lose weight but generally gain it back too)
  GMO foods are fine to eat. We've been modifying our food for centuries thru cross breeding plants with no ill effects. Science does exactly the same thing but with more precision.
  Organic is generally food that is more expensive and harder on the environment to grow. It is not more healthy in any way. (personal note: I've noticed far more ecoli outbreaks from organic food- probably due to use of manure)
  Experimenting on yourself is generally not helpful because a "study" with a sample size of 1 is meaningless and we all have confirmation bias and placebo responses along with many other ways of fooling ourselves such as Hawthorne effect.
  Never take nutrition advice from a website with a shopping cart (such as butter nutrition)
  Vitamins and supplements are generally not needed for most people who eat well. We just give ourselves expensive pee because most of the stuff we take is urinated out.
  glyphosate (round up) is pretty safe to use.
  Gluten is not bad for you if you aren't celiac and provides the calories that launched man into the industrial age.
  The entire concept of "detoxing" is horse pucky. There is nothing in most of our bodies to detox.
  The increase in cancer is largely because we're living longer. There are bound to be environmental factors and nutritional factors too but they are extremely difficult to tease out scientifically.
  His best nutrition advice is "eat more fruits and vegetables - not too much and not too little"

[Yodean]

Sustenance.com.sg/products/low-carb-shakes-bundle-of-5 is the meal replacement shake im considering as a filling, healthier night supper choice. Any thoughts?

@UtopianNinja: been meaning to ask you ... how is life in Singapore? Love to hear your thoughts.

I've never been, but have heard from several of my friends who have. Expensive. Too much respect for the law - this may be a bit of an issue for me as I occasionally - but fairly regularly - like to spit loudly in public. May land me in jail and a bit of a beating by canes in Singapore, I would think.

Singapore is on my list of three "bases" - one in East Asia, one in Eastern Europe, and of course my current Neo-marxist home base, known as Canada.

[harryg]

Sustenance.com.sg/products/low-carb-shakes-bundle-of-5 is the meal replacement shake im considering as a filling, healthier night supper choice. Any thoughts?

I generally don't eat anything substantial after 7, usually, before the sunsets. But I will drink after that If i am hungry after 7 i will snack on a banana or some other fruit. Bananas also help with sleeping issues if one has the same. All this packaged stuff is generally rubbish. Nothing beats good natural food. We all have to take supplements but I am not going to start having my dinner or lunch out of plastic trash bottle

And here is some interesting information on why eating healthy, keeping your stress levels low, avoiding the wrong oils, etc, are crucial to a healthy and long life. We have always stated good health is far more valuable than wealth. Without good health, all the wealth in the world is worth zilch.

https://butternutrition.com/why-cancer- ... rents-day/

Other thoughts from the book "relax and enjoy your food"

• Food is not medicine - no matter who states that it is in a loud firm voice.
  Our bodies are adapted to eat a wide variety of things
  Any diet with a name is probably bogus (you will lose weight but generally gain it back too)
  GMO foods are fine to eat. We've been modifying our food for centuries thru cross breeding plants with no ill effects. Science does exactly the same thing but with more precision.
  Organic is generally food that is more expensive and harder on the environment to grow. It is not more healthy in any way. (personal note: I've noticed far more ecoli outbreaks from organic food- probably due to use of manure)
  Experimenting on yourself is generally not helpful because a "study" with a sample size of 1 is meaningless and we all have confirmation bias and placebo responses along with many other ways of fooling ourselves such as Hawthorne effect.
  Never take nutrition advice from a website with a shopping cart (such as butter nutrition)
  Vitamins and supplements are generally not needed for most people who eat well. We just give ourselves expensive pee because most of the stuff we take is urinated out.
  glyphosate (round up) is pretty safe to use.
  Gluten is not bad for you if you aren't celiac and provides the calories that launched man into the industrial age.
  The entire concept of "detoxing" is horse pucky. There is nothing in most of our bodies to detox.
  The increase in cancer is largely because we're living longer. There are bound to be environmental factors and nutritional factors too but they are extremely difficult to tease out scientifically.
  His best nutrition advice is "eat more fruits and vegetables - not too much and not too little"

I'm not one for supplements or fads, overall I think a reasonably balanced diet is good enough. However, within that you have the issue that many people don't eat a varied diet at all, consuming a large proportion of plastic-wrapped processed foods, and you have the issue of food quality, which I am not happy to dismiss so easily.

This is anecdotal, I accept, but I'm not trying to prove it in a court of law:

In France we lived in a small village in the sort of place that you might think was unspoilt countryside. I got chatting to two old chaps in the town square, who told me that most of their lives they had worked 'on the apples'. They had been a band of 12 working on the apples, the other 10 had all died of cancers before they got to retirement. According to these chaps, the apples are sprayed with pesticides more than 25 times before they are picked and sold. They were certain that this was the cause of the cancers. An apple a day anyone?

In the food industry (as with most) the focus is price before quality. Don't get me started on smoked salmon from Norway etc. It seems to me that food should be taken a bit more seriously than that, unless of course you believe that it makes no odds what you eat.

I'm sure that the organic food industry is a bit of a rip-off and, worse, is nothing like as 'organic' as you might hope. Certainly nothing like growing it yourself, or shooting your own cow to get the milk out. But I do think it's probably less bad the the alternative.

And preparing your own food most of the time might be a bit of a hassle, but I think it's worth it.

Harry's Pizza (easier with bread machine):
Base: Flour, water, yeast, olive oil, salt
Topping: Squished tomatoes, good buffalo mozzarella, fresh basil.

Iceland Meat Feast Pizza:
Wheat Flour, Barbecue Style Sauce (14%) (Tomato Purée, Barbecue Sauce (Water, Sugar, Tomato Purée, Glucose Syrup, White Vinegar, Cane Molasses, Salt, Modified Maize Starch, Smoke Flavouring, Smoked Salt, Clove, Cayenne Pepper), Water, Sugar, Olive Oil, Maize Starch, Maltodextrin, Salt, Yeast Extract, Dried Oregano), Mozzarella Cheese (Milk) (14%), Water, Barbecue Sauce Flavoured Cooked Beef Granules (7%) (Beef, Tomato Purée, Barbecue Sauce (Water, Sugar, Tomato Purée, Glucose Syrup, White Vinegar, Cane Molasses, Salt, Modified Maize Starch, Smoke Flavouring, Smoked Salt, Clove, Cayenne Pepper), Water, Salt, Sugar, Olive Oil, Maize Starch, Maltodextrin, Yeast Extract, Dried Oregano), Smoked Spicy Salami (6%) (Pork, Salt, Antioxidants: Extracts of Rosemary, Sodium Ascorbate; Dextrose, Chilli, Paprika, Pepper, Pimento, Coriander, Garlic Powder, Preservative: Sodium Nitrite), Smoked Formed Cooked Ham (5%) (Pork, Water, Salt, Dextrose, Sugar, Lovage Extract, Rosemary Extract, Antioxidant: Sodium Ascorbate; Stabilisers: Diphosphates, Triphosphates; Preservative: Sodium Nitrite), Smoked Dry Cured Ham (4.5%) (Pork, Salt, Pepper, Coriander, Garlic Powder, Preservatives: Potassium Nitrate, Sodium Nitrite; Sugar, Dextrose, Antioxidant: Sodium Ascorbate), Sunflower Oil, Salt, Yeast.

[stefk]

For Triplethought, big problem with chemical monoculture is soil degradations. And we need healthy soils for healthy plants, to nourrish healthy men. In the long term, monoculture and chemical agriculture are unsustainable. The best solution is organic farming, its based on real science, its not a greenies leftist dream.....

https://rodaleinstitute.org/why-organic ... il-health/

https://youtu.be/t4TyPfcaw_k

[stefk]

for harryg, the apples problematic is very instructive. The consumers want beautiful smooth apples. But these apples are less resistant against insects. In my permacultural garden, I have planted ancient belgian varieties, the fruits are rough and not beautiful, but every year, they give me hundreds kilos of succulent apples without any pesticides !!!!!!

[AstuteShift]

I’ve definitely noticed a difference when eating cleaner and avoiding chemical processed garbage.

Protein supplements after a workout but that’s usually it. The rest from meat, fish, eggs etc. there are protein powders that are collagen based and not full of chemicals, good for skin too.

However, despite that, it all depends also on your genetics. Some people just have piss poor genetics and there is nothing they can do, getting heart attacks at 30 etc etc. Others can smoke up until 90 and live a long life, again mostly genetics.

The one thing that everyone can do besides clean eating is keeping stress low. I enjoy doing some yoga sessions or just going for a swim at the beach. Also I practice minimalism, which helps to clear my mind, the less you have the more mental capacity you have in a sense. Then again the masses always need worthless crap to feel good instead of appreciating what time you have here on earth

[Triplethought]

For Triplethought, big problem with chemical monoculture is soil degradations. And we need healthy soils for healthy plants, to nourrish healthy men. In the long term, monoculture and chemical agriculture are unsustainable. The best solution is organic farming, its based on real science, its not a greenies leftist dream.....

I'm quite sure that PhDs in agricultural science will notice and adjust if monoculture leads to soil degradation. They will rotate crops or otherwise amend the soil to insure high yields & crop production. They aren't morons. And if you make the argument that "high yields" isn't the goal.... or that organic veggies are "more healthy" then you have to be able to scientifically test them and show that there are more nutrients in organic veggies. Which advocates erroneously claim. It's not hard to find web articles citing studies that say organics are better but the problem is it just isn't true https://www.discovermagazine.com/health ... fruits-and "A groundbreaking meta-analysis of over 300 head-to-head studies indicated that organic and conventional vegetables probably have comparable levels of most vitamins and minerals — with the caveat that conditions for all types of farming vary from location to location and year to year in ways that influence nutritional content." I've seen studies that show the level of vitamins and minerals is based far more on the age of the veggies. University of California studies show that vegetables can lose 15 to 55 percent of vitamin C, for instance, within a week. Some spinach can lose 90 percent within the first 24 hours after harvest. https://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/c ... story.html

And if you prefer to argue that pesticides and herbicides find their way into our food and THAT is why big ag is unhealthy then the best way to avoid them is using GMO (crops that are naturally resistant to pests) and Artificial Intelligence (Robots that laser or smash weeds mechanically). Such large investments imply "Big Agriculture". Organic foods are NOT pesticide free: http://npic.orst.edu/ingred/organic.html Both synthetic and organic biopesticides have harmful health effects at doses higher than those typically found in fruits and vegetables. We just all hope the levels are small enough not to harm us. "The solution to pollution is dilution" as the saying goes.

Pretty much all crops are monoculture unless you deliberately plant a small garden alternating corn and tomatoes or whatever. The only question is on what scale. A small organic tomato garden still has all tomatoes and so it is by definition a monoculture.

I'm curious why chemical agriculture is unsustainable? Are we gonna run out of chemicals? If so when? Or if it's because of soil depletion are we incapable of amending soil?

Calling something "natural" does not automatically imply it is better. I think the best combination of agricultural science may include both organic methods as well as GMOs and "chemical" fertilizers.

[Yodean]

for harryg, the apples problematic is very instructive. The consumers want beautiful smooth apples. But these apples are less resistant against insects. In my permacultural garden, I have planted ancient belgian varieties, the fruits are rough and not beautiful, but every year, they give me hundreds kilos of succulent apples without any pesticides !!!!!!

Oui, indeed, the best apple is when you eat half of it, look at the remainder, and see half a worm or two left in the apple. Then you know for sure that it is a very good apple - the worms liked it too. Also, by also eating the worms, you get protein, some collagen, soil micronutrients, etc. Makes you strong, like real man.

Unfortunately, I don't often get to eat this type of apple in a cosmopolitan city like Toronto.

[xkosmox]

Cant wait to get back to malaysia. The family has access to farmland and used to plant lots of vegetation and fruit trees.

[stefk]

@Yodean, there are absolutely no worms in my apples, the peel of the fruit is so rough, the insects dont go inside. but commercially, these apples are impossible to sell because too awful and too rough, the consumers are stupid.

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@Triplet, intersting article with good references, but I retain mostly this ref :

"""That’s because eating is as much about taste as nutrition, and organics do have a clear edge in variety and flavor. A tomato is by nature a very fragile thing; industrial farmers who supply supermarkets nationwide quite sensibly choose to grow thick-skinned, firm varieties that can be shipped thousands of miles without damage — but there’s a trade-off between durability and flavor. Organic suppliers are more likely to be local, and can afford to cultivate strains that are more delicate, but also more savory."""

All is said, never ever I will eat anymore a tomato from aldi. In summer, I will show you my real tomatoes.....

[SOL]

Cant wait to get back to malaysia. The family has access to farmland and used to plant lots of vegetation and fruit trees.

I been to malayasia a few times, Great place, I forget the name of the street but it opens after 6pm. They put chairs outside and start to serve fresh seafood, You pick the food you want and they grill it. Also fresh fruits and veggies are sold on the opposite side. I had some of the biggest lychees in my life, almost the size of golf balls and delicious. This was somewhere in down town Kuala Lumpur.

I would have to say TTH it comes down to taste. I am not an advocate of organic. I am an advocate of old way farming where the product tastes better. i can definitely state that the cucumbers, tomatoes and other produce I bought from small bazaars in Turkey, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Poland, and many places in South America, taste better than any organic produce I have tried in the States.

The same applies to wild apples or apples grown the old way. I went to several small apple farms in Ukraine and Poland and the apples were downright delicious. For me it comes down to taste and satisfaction.

[SOL]

@Yodean, there are absolutely no worms in my apples, the peel of the fruit is so rough, the insects dont go inside. but commercially, these apples are impossible to sell because too awful and too rough, the consumers are stupid.

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@Triplet, intersting article with good references, but I retain mostly this ref :

"""That’s because eating is as much about taste as nutrition, and organics do have a clear edge in variety and flavor. A tomato is by nature a very fragile thing; industrial farmers who supply supermarkets nationwide quite sensibly choose to grow thick-skinned, firm varieties that can be shipped thousands of miles without damage — but there’s a trade-off between durability and flavor. Organic suppliers are more likely to be local, and can afford to cultivate strains that are more delicate, but also more savory."""

All is said, never ever I will eat anymore a tomato from aldi. In summer, I will show you my real tomatoes.....

I know what real tomatoes taste like also and Stefk they taste better than the so-called organic rubbish that is sold in stores. As I stated before it comes down to taste and naturally grown food (organic is a bastardized term) tastes incredibly good. When you use the tomatoes you buy from local bazaars or the ones you grow yourself and chop up some cucumbers, throw some parsley to taste and lots of feta cheese, then sprinkle lemon juice and ample amounts of olive oil, its a heavenly salad. I tried to make the same salad using so-called organic produce and I could not even finish 1/4 of it before I dumped it in the trash.

Same applies for eggs. natural eggs from hens that are allowed to roam a bit, the yolk colour is almost dark yellow to orange and there is a huge difference in taste.