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[Triplethought]

ANGI's 9.90 end of day stop almost happened. It closed @ 10.00. I'm still holding.

I'm out at $9.90 due to stop entered in ahead of time. Loss of 17.5% on one 1/3 lot and one 1/6 lot. Never cared for this stock but I might rebuy if it dips more.

[Triplethought]

Astute is .. well ..astute. The market, or rather the manipulators, love to test how much pain you can bear. They run the stops to shake out the "weak hands" to pick up stocks at a lower price.

No market is so low it can't go lower and no market is so high it can't go higher. With all the excrement going on volatility is going to run the markets up and down like a roller coaster but, as Sol says look at the trend. We can have savage pull backs in a bull market but a bull market doesn't die in a Chicken Little moment but in a euphoric blow off top.

I'm curious if anyone enters their buys and dates into an equivalent index fund tracker (such as S&P 500) for comparison tracking purposes. I did it it last year and TI portfolio beat the index fund performance handily. I'm pretty sure if I were tracking the fund flows this year we'd be behind the QQQ or S&P500 index. I say that because the total dollar value of my account hasn't moved this year (down slightly). Every time it looks like it will surge to new highs it sinks again.

The reason I ask this question is because of the old active versus passive investor debate. I think it's important not to fool oneself into thinking their stock picks are brilliant when in fact the same money invested on the same days into an index fund would result in an equivalent or better return. One could also argue that you should compare TI to putting ALL the money into an index (i.e. assuming you would have no "cash drag" as we inevitably do with TI style investing).

[Investor87]

Astute is .. well ..astute. The market, or rather the manipulators, love to test how much pain you can bear. They run the stops to shake out the "weak hands" to pick up stocks at a lower price.

No market is so low it can't go lower and no market is so high it can't go higher. With all the excrement going on volatility is going to run the markets up and down like a roller coaster but, as Sol says look at the trend. We can have savage pull backs in a bull market but a bull market doesn't die in a Chicken Little moment but in a euphoric blow off top.

I'm curious if anyone enters their buys and dates into an equivalent index fund tracker (such as S&P 500) for comparison tracking purposes. I did it it last year and TI portfolio beat the index fund performance handily. I'm pretty sure if I were tracking the fund flows this year we'd be behind the QQQ or S&P500 index. I say that because the total dollar value of my account hasn't moved this year (down slightly). Every time it looks like it will surge to new highs it sinks again.

The reason I ask this question is because of the old active versus passive investor debate. I think it's important not to fool oneself into thinking their stock picks are brilliant when in fact the same money invested on the same days into an index fund would result in an equivalent or better return. One could also argue that you should compare TI to putting ALL the money into an index (i.e. assuming you would have no "cash drag" as we inevitably do with TI style investing).

VTI (total market) is up 17.4% for the year. All of my personal portfolios are up 14.5%. Not bad seeing that I currently have 43% cash drag. I am patiently waiting for the Father of All Buying opportunities. Actually, I would settle for a couple Child of all Buying opportunities.

[Yodean]

The reason I ask this question is because of the old active versus passive investor debate. One could also argue that you should compare TI to putting ALL the money into an index (i.e. assuming you would have no "cash drag" as we inevitably do with TI style investing).

This is a very good question. The main challenge is that one would need at least three to five years of data to compare - just "guesstimating" here - in order to even begin to have confidence in the statistical significance of the results, I would think.

Also, the comparison should be more something along the lines of 70% Index ETF/30% Cash portfolio vs. 70% T.I. portfolio/30% Cash portfolio.

I know quite a few people who have done okay using the passive Index ETF approach, but none put all their eggs in one single index - it's usually a mix, and they always hold some cash/bonds, often 20% - 40%.

I think on an emotional basis it's a bit too hard to put all of one's savings into one index ETF and never sell - imagine if someone put all their life savings into a Dow ETF up to late Feb. 2020 - she would have had to sit through the emotional torture of an approximate 38% loss (over just several weeks) in her net worth, while bombarded daily by mainstream media that this is it, "the Big One," the "Mother of all Crashes," etc. Very difficult to do without selling somewhere along the line.

[Triplethought]

VTI (total market) is up 17.4% for the year. All of my personal portfolios are up 14.5%. Not bad seeing that I currently have 43% cash drag. I am patiently waiting for the Father of All Buying opportunities. Actually, I would settle for a couple Child of all Buying opportunities.

I like using that VTI as the index to measure our performance. I actually show it up 19.37% for the year at the moment. I agree if you're up 14.5% with 43% cash drag that's good (assuming you're calculating the 14.5% increase with the cash sitting there in the account and not just on the stocks). The question is, if you use the same cash drag assumptions when calculating the TI performance. I would argue you need more cash on hand to do TI style trading than yif you just dump money into an index fund. As far as the 2-3 year window to compare against I understand the point but would say we should be able to compare performance over 1.5 years for the most part. We don't hold a lot of our stocks more than 1.5 years

[Investor87]

VTI (total market) is up 17.4% for the year. All of my personal portfolios are up 14.5%. Not bad seeing that I currently have 43% cash drag. I am patiently waiting for the Father of All Buying opportunities. Actually, I would settle for a couple Child of all Buying opportunities.

I agree if you're up 14.5% with 43% cash drag that's good (assuming you're calculating the 14.5% increase with the cash sitting there in the account and not just on the stocks). The question is, if you use the same cash drag assumptions when calculating the TI performance. I would argue you need more cash on hand to do TI style trading than if you just dump money into an index fund. As far as the 2-3 year window to compare against I understand the point but would say we should be able to compare performance over 1.5 years for the most part. We don't hold a lot of our stocks more than 1.5 years

14.5% is my account balance including cash. For a season I did the more passive investing with mostly VTI. They give a 4% dividend. At least they used to.

[xkosmox]

SUPN and ANGI (again) hit stop loss point; waiting for end of day numbers.

[Yodean]

PEJ, 2nd lot, filled @ 47.00;

[Triplethought]

8-19-21 Sold MSFT @$297

August 4th MU "Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) Place orders to close the position out in the 295.40 to 300 ranges."

[SOL]

SUPN and ANGI (again) hit stop loss point; waiting for end of day numbers.

ANGI

Stop was lowered to 9 if i am not mistaken

[bpcw]

SUPN and ANGI (again) hit stop loss point; waiting for end of day numbers.

ANGI

Stop was lowered to 9 if i am not mistaken

The stop was lowered to 9.90, I sold yesterday @ 9.88!

[DrSven]

ANGI - stop is indeed 9.90, just checked. However, it did not close below on a daily basis so far (yesterday's closing price was 9.91 if I am correct).
Besides all MP and Indicators, I see a technical support at around 10. So as long as it is dancing in this range, I will be watching. When it leaves this zone to the south, I am out.

@SOL: Could you please check the stop, should it be 9 or 9.90. Thanks, I appreciate it.

[Yodean]

ANGI - stop is indeed 9.90, just checked. However, it did not close below on a daily basis so far (yesterday's closing price was 9.91 if I am correct).
Besides all MP and Indicators, I see a technical support at around 10. So as long as it is dancing in this range, I will be watching. When it leaves this zone to the south, I am out.

@SOL: Could you please check the stop, should it be 9 or 9.90. Thanks, I appreciate it.

My eyes see significant support at just above 9.50 or so, where since April until now, ANGI is attempting to "triple bottom" on an intermediate basis. Regardless, I am not selling.

[Budge]

ANGI - stop is indeed 9.90, just checked. However, it did not close below on a daily basis so far (yesterday's closing price was 9.91 if I am correct).
Besides all MP and Indicators, I see a technical support at around 10. So as long as it is dancing in this range, I will be watching. When it leaves this zone to the south, I am out.

@SOL: Could you please check the stop, should it be 9 or 9.90. Thanks, I appreciate it.

My eyes see significant support at just above 9.50 or so, where since April until now, ANGI is attempting to "triple bottom" on an intermediate basis. Regardless, I am not selling.

Spiked to $10.08 in overnight session (actually 9.10 am this morning).

[bpcw]

ANGI - stop is indeed 9.90, just checked. However, it did not close below on a daily basis so far (yesterday's closing price was 9.91 if I am correct).
Besides all MP and Indicators, I see a technical support at around 10. So as long as it is dancing in this range, I will be watching. When it leaves this zone to the south, I am out.

@SOL: Could you please check the stop, should it be 9 or 9.90. Thanks, I appreciate it.

You are correct, it is the end of day price that counts, guess I forgot that after my alert was triggered for the 3rd day, never mind, it's one position with one lot allocated!