Cancer

[bpcw]

Seems strange that we haven't had a topic created for 'The Big One' unless I've missed it!

I write this after losing 2 uncles in the last week to cancer. Admittedly they were both in their early 80s but also found out someone I know who is 40 has got stage 4 cancer and the NHS cannot do anymore for him, his family are trying to raise £200k for new treatment in the US. He had bowel cancer, the usual treatment of chemotherapy and was in remission but now he has it in his lungs, he lost his first wife when she was 31 around 6 years ago. Someone I know who is 50 has skin and bowel cancer but doesn't want NHS treatment. My wife lost 2 uncles to prostrate cancer and they had the usual chemo treatment.

I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer in his jaw 6 years ago. The prescribed treatment would be cutting the tumour out leaving him disfigured and chemo. He politely said no thanks which was met with anger by 2 consultants and 2 nurses, all vehemently trying to persuade him that he needed to take the treatment to prolong his life and it was irresponsible to his family not to.  Instead he went to a nutritionist lady who has an instrument that measures candida levels and his was through the roof. He completely changed his diet, avoiding sugary foods, gluten and dairy and having healthy foods rich in nutrients and also rubbed a couple of drops of frankincense oil (mixed with carrier oil) on his jaw every day. The tumour disappeared, he felt much healthier and is still here today.

It seems people are completely indoctrinated with the idea that there is only the mainstream medical path to take and every alternative is quackery.  I see chemotherapy and radiotherapy as barbaric in this modern age with the technology we have. A friend I know spoke with someone who used to be high up in the NHS and was told that they had a cure for cancer 20 years ago.

Guess I would like to hear other's thoughts on this and alternative treatments that they believe/know works.

These new wonder drugs in the US, are they designed to keep people alive for longer but not a cure to maximize profits, especially if the covid vaccines will cause cancer?

[harryg]

Seems strange that we haven't had a topic created for 'The Big One' unless I've missed it!

I write this after losing 2 uncles in the last week to cancer. Admittedly they were both in their early 80s but also found out someone I know who is 40 has got stage 4 cancer and the NHS cannot do anymore for him, his family are trying to raise £200k for new treatment in the US. He had bowel cancer, the usual treatment of chemotherapy and was in remission but now he has it in his lungs, he lost his first wife when she was 31 around 6 years ago. Someone I know who is 50 has skin and bowel cancer but doesn't want NHS treatment. My wife lost 2 uncles to prostrate cancer and they had the usual chemo treatment.

I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer in his jaw 6 years ago. The prescribed treatment would be cutting the tumour out leaving him disfigured and chemo. He politely said no thanks which was met with anger by 2 consultants and 2 nurses, all vehemently trying to persuade him that he needed to take the treatment to prolong his life and it was irresponsible to his family not to.  Instead he went to a nutritionist lady who has an instrument that measures candida levels and his was through the roof. He completely changed his diet, avoiding sugary foods, gluten and dairy and having healthy foods rich in nutrients and also rubbed a couple of drops of frankincense oil (mixed with carrier oil) on his jaw every day. The tumour disappeared, he felt much healthier and is still here today.

It seems people are completely indoctrinated with the idea that there is only the mainstream medical path to take and every alternative is quackery.  I see chemotherapy and radiotherapy as barbaric in this modern age with the technology we have. A friend I know spoke with someone who used to be high up in the NHS and was told that they had a cure for cancer 20 years ago.

Guess I would like to hear other's thoughts on this and alternative treatments that they believe/know works.

These new wonder drugs in the US, are they designed to keep people alive for longer but not a cure to maximize profits, especially if the covid vaccines will cause cancer?

I read your previous post about the chap suffering from jaw cancer with great interest. I know (knew) someone with an analogous situation in France. I don’t want to go into it but it did not end well, and before it didn’t end well it was a right mess. Really nice chap.

I think the absolute least we can say is that modern medicine doesn’t have as many answers as we would hope.

I don’t have any useful insights about new treatments, but having seen what I have seen I would no longer mock someone who said they were going to treat their cancer with lemon juice or something in that vein.

[langdj]

Seems strange that we haven't had a topic created for 'The Big One' unless I've missed it!

I write this after losing 2 uncles in the last week to cancer. Admittedly they were both in their early 80s but also found out someone I know who is 40 has got stage 4 cancer and the NHS cannot do anymore for him, his family are trying to raise £200k for new treatment in the US. He had bowel cancer, the usual treatment of chemotherapy and was in remission but now he has it in his lungs, he lost his first wife when she was 31 around 6 years ago. Someone I know who is 50 has skin and bowel cancer but doesn't want NHS treatment. My wife lost 2 uncles to prostrate cancer and they had the usual chemo treatment.

I have a friend who was diagnosed with cancer in his jaw 6 years ago. The prescribed treatment would be cutting the tumour out leaving him disfigured and chemo. He politely said no thanks which was met with anger by 2 consultants and 2 nurses, all vehemently trying to persuade him that he needed to take the treatment to prolong his life and it was irresponsible to his family not to.  Instead he went to a nutritionist lady who has an instrument that measures candida levels and his was through the roof. He completely changed his diet, avoiding sugary foods, gluten and dairy and having healthy foods rich in nutrients and also rubbed a couple of drops of frankincense oil (mixed with carrier oil) on his jaw every day. The tumour disappeared, he felt much healthier and is still here today.

It seems people are completely indoctrinated with the idea that there is only the mainstream medical path to take and every alternative is quackery.  I see chemotherapy and radiotherapy as barbaric in this modern age with the technology we have. A friend I know spoke with someone who used to be high up in the NHS and was told that they had a cure for cancer 20 years ago.

Guess I would like to hear other's thoughts on this and alternative treatments that they believe/know works.

These new wonder drugs in the US, are they designed to keep people alive for longer but not a cure to maximize profits, especially if the covid vaccines will cause cancer?

I read your previous post about the chap suffering from jaw cancer with great interest. I know (knew) someone with an analogous situation in France. I don’t want to go into it but it did not end well, and before it didn’t end well it was a right mess. Really nice chap.

I think the absolute least we can say is that modern medicine doesn’t have as many answers as we would hope.

I don’t have any useful insights about new treatments, but having seen what I have seen I would no longer mock someone who said they were going to treat their cancer with lemon juice or something in that vein.

Love that story! Sounds very similar to something I would do. If I get diagnosed with cancer I would do the Carnivore Diet. Right now I am just "mostly meat" but with white rice (calorie surplus for wanted for weight lifting). I also have whisky and beer and sometimes dessert on the weekends .

That is probably is not enough to be therapeutic, but honestly may be good enough to keep out of trouble in the first place. If needed, I would try strict Carnivore for a year and then if it did not work out I would potentially try all the "poisonous therapies"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M6olUbBwks

[SOL]

Those diagnosed with cancer tend to have lower body temperatures, potentially due to reduced thyroid function. The ideal body temperature is approximately 37.5°C, and deviation from this temperature increase the risk of illness.

Although I have notes on several possible cancer protocols, I cannot recall their exact location. I do know people who have beaten cancer using different approaches, such as raw juice and foods, almost raw meat, Methlylene blue, Thyroid supplements, etc. In case I ever find myself in this situation, I would resort to a mega Methlylene blue treatment, Thyroid supplements, N-acetyl cysteine and Glutathione injections, and plenty of Alpha lipoic acid. My diet would mainly consist of bland foods, and I would avoid eating outside. In my opinion, the best way to prevent cancer is by monitoring body temperature and liver enzymes closely.



A total of 7 cohort and 2 case-control studies met our inclusion criteria. In general, these studies were of medium to good quality. Overall, studies revealed no association between SCH and breast and prostate cancer. One study found that untreated SCH may be associated with an increased risk of colorectal cancer (adjusted odds ratio [OR]: 1.16; 95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.08–1.24). One study showed an increased risk in thyroid cancer incidence (adjusted OR: 3.38; 95% CI: 2.05–5.59) associated with elevation of a thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) of > 1.64mIU/L. Two studies found an increase in cancer mortality among patients with SCH compared to euthyroid individuals; in contrast one study found no association between subclinical hypothyroidism and cancer mortality among aging men.
https://bmcendocrdisord.biomedcentral.c ... 20-00566-9




Please note that the opinions expressed are my own, and I am not a medical professional. However, I personally would not choose to follow the standard chemotherapy protocols, even as a last resort, as I believe there are potentially more effective and less harmful treatments available.

[bpcw]

Thanks guy's.

Harry - obviously distressing the French guy you knew. My sister-in-law's brother got some from of blood cancer, had the usual treatment, was in supposed remission for a while but it came back as it normally does and had spread. It went to his jaw and he had it cut out leaving his face completely distorted, a mess as you say. It eventually went to his brain and he died. Although I hadn't seen him much over his last few years due to distance and both of us settling down, we had been pretty close and I went on holiday with him once so I did struggle at the funeral. This is one of the reasons I will not go down the NHS route.

I watched a couple of videos in a series a few years back, was pretty revealing, such as cancer feeds off sugar and the tumour they want to cut out immediately is one's body cocooning the cancer in so cutting it out risks spreading it. The best solution is to build your immune system up through a healthy diet and supplements and use substances that aid your own body's immune system to kill the cancerous cells, as well as avoiding all toxins found in every day stuff, that's my very basic understanding and you can apply this to virtually all disease.

Interested in what Yodean has to say.

[Yodean]

Interested in what Yodean has to say.

Cancer's a complicated topic, both in depth and breadth - happy to post some of my current thoughts on this subject without the post getting too long, and as this thread evolves, chime in more if there is need.

As a general rule, I don't like to give simple answers to complex questions. Leaves too much room for oversimplification, misinterpretations, and so forth.

1) The first problem is the word "cancer" itself. There is a large diversity in terms of the types of cancer out there - really, almost to the point that different types of cancers may be thought of as somewhat different diseases.

Some cancers, especially in the earlier stages, are fairly easy to treat with conventional medical/surgical approaches, while for many late stage metastatic cancers (cancer that has spread to a lot of different places in the body), most treatment approaches fail, conventional or otherwise.

Very different between someone getting Stage 4b lung cancer (she's doomed) vs. localized thyroid nodular cancer (go ahead and buy those green bananas), for example.

So you've always got to take, with a grain of salt, anyone who says, "I beat cancer."

The devil's in the details - what type of cancer? What stage? What was the individual's state of health going into that diagnosis? Was it a correct diagnosis? What treatments did the individual undergo? And so forth.

Many cases of advanced "cancers" being cured miraculously turn out to be misdiagnoses under closer investigation (it wasn't really cancer but another more benign diagnosis, but the initial diagnosis given to the patient was that it was cancer, so the patient tells everyone that she "beat" cancer), or mis-staged (staging is the degree to which a cancer has spread throughout the body - in this case, mistakes were made in the estimation of how far the cancer had spread; e.g. a cancer that was thought to have extensively metastasized turns out to be localized, and hence, easier to treat successfully).

2) Genetic, epigenetic, environmental contributions:

Once again, devil's in the details.

Different cancers have varying levels of contributions from genetics, epigenetics (certain genes being turned on or off by your diet, weight, physical activity, nutrition, supplements, air/water, stress, sleep, etc.), and environment (e.g. pollution, smoke, asbestos, ?EMFs, constant psychological stress, etc.)

So treatment needs to be customized, multi-pronged - designed especially for the unique characteristics of the individual, as well as the type and stage of the cancer.

3) Personal thoughts:

The best way to treat cancer is never getting it.

So do all those "boring" things that reduce your likelihood of getting any type of cancer in the first place:

-exercise like a MOFO!
-adequate sleep;
-stress reduction (or stress alchemy - turn "stress" into excitement ... can be done with practice);
-plenty of vegetables, fruits, "real food";
-sunlight, expose yourself to Mother Nature as much as possible;

-coffee (surprising amount of evidence that coffee reduces one's risk of getting many types of cancer), certain teas;
-?melatonin, high dose;
-?cold/heat exposure (emerging evidence);

-laugh a lot;

-don't get fat, drink too much alcohol, smoke modern cigarettes, nor spend too much time around toxic family members or acquaintances; reduce processed foods/refined sugar;

*intermittent fasting (good evidence in animal models);

There's more, of course, but I think this is enough for now.

Many videos one can find, this one's not bad:

https://youtu.be/INixV9wau-E?t=14

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This one's also interesting:

https://youtu.be/lZGfGb3VCKM?t=48

[bpcw]

Thanks Yodean, lots of good advice.

Watched both videos, seen similar one's, the FDA and pharma being in bed together is just flaunting their evil in our faces but they get away with it because most people believe in the institutions of the world being benevolent and we know that the more money sloshing around the more evil scheming goes on, they don't know what lies in store for them.

A good start to this topic and I'm sure much more to discuss, I keep remembering other people I've known who have died of cancer, how could I forget to mention my wife's step father, can't keep up!

Appreciate everyone's contributions.

[Yodean]

[bpcw]

Exactly

By the way, you mention stress, it is a big factor from experience, my friend said he believes his was brought on twice after major stress and the guy I know at McDonald's also said he had been through major stress and depression.

You mention false diagnosis, seems even more reason to avoid chemo and radiotherapy, getting poisoned for no reason at all and both are carcinogenic, one of the reasons for cancer so called spreading!

[Yodean]

By the way, you mention stress, it is a big factor from experience, my friend said he believes his was brought on twice after major stress and the guy I know at McDonald's also said he had been through major stress and depression.

You mention false diagnosis, seems even more reason to avoid chemo and radiotherapy, getting poisoned for no reason at all and both are carcinogenic, one of the reasons for cancer so called spreading!

There are many situations in the treatment of different kinds of cancers which the right type of chemotherapy and radiotherapy, combined with naturopathic approaches/supplements (e.g. intermittent fasting, avoiding processed foods/refined sugar, etc.), are optimal.

There is a lot of exciting work being done in the field of immuno-therapy for the treatment of cancers, as well as other diseases.

In broad strokes, immuno-therapy is using different drugs to amplify or shut down certain branches of your immune system to target a particular cancer (or disease). The research coming out is extremely promising.

In a sense, a lot of the naturopathic approaches that optimize health - intermittent fasting, shirin-yoku/forest-bathing, getting sunlight, reducing stress, etc. - work because they optimize different pathways/branches of your immune system.

Your immune system is very, very complex - it's like a military force, with different branches, units, Special Ops, SEALs, Green Berets, Navy, Army, Air Force, Black Ops, etc. - and one of its roles is to constantly monitor for pre-cancerous cells and eliminate them.

So any approach that balances and optimizes one's immune system - which by the way, it's like a fingerprint, no two individuals have exactly the same immune system - will be beneficial.

Wrt to mainstream Western medicine vs. naturopathic approaches - as is often the case, it's an "and" question, not an "or" question.

There are a lot of nuts out there using naturopathic approaches inappropriately in treating cancers and diseases - just like a lot of mainstream Western medicine isn't great.

The key is to learn to take the best of both worlds, and throw out the rest.

If you get a heart attack tonight or get run over by a car this afternoon, I suspect you're heading over to your nearest hospital, not the church or the nearest naturopath in your neighborhood.

[bpcw]

By the way, you mention stress, it is a big factor from experience, my friend said he believes his was brought on twice after major stress and the guy I know at McDonald's also said he had been through major stress and depression.

You mention false diagnosis, seems even more reason to avoid chemo and radiotherapy, getting poisoned for no reason at all and both are carcinogenic, one of the reasons for cancer so called spreading!

There are many situations in the treatment of different kinds of cancers which the right type of chemotherapy and radiotherapy, combined with naturopathic approaches/supplements (e.g. intermittent fasting, avoiding processed foods/refined sugar, etc.), are optimal.

There is a lot of exciting work being done in the field of immuno-therapy for the treatment of cancers, as well as other diseases.

In broad strokes, immuno-therapy is using different drugs to amplify or shut down certain branches of your immune system to target a particular cancer (or disease). The research coming out is extremely promising.

In a sense, a lot of the naturopathic approaches that optimize health - intermittent fasting, shirin-yoku/forest-bathing, getting sunlight, reducing stress, etc. - work because they optimize different pathways/branches of your immune system.

Your immune system is very, very complex - it's like a military force, with different branches, units, Special Ops, SEALs, Green Berets, Navy, Army, Air Force, Black Ops, etc. - and one of its roles is to constantly monitor for pre-cancerous cells and eliminate them.

So any approach that balances and optimizes one's immune system - which by the way, it's like a fingerprint, no two individuals have exactly the same immune system - will be beneficial.

Wrt to mainstream Western medicine vs. naturopathic approaches - as is often the case, it's an "and" question, not an "or" question.

There are a lot of nuts out there using naturopathic approaches inappropriately in treating cancers and diseases - just like a lot of mainstream Western medicine isn't great.

The key is to learn to take the best of both worlds, and throw out the rest.

If you get a heart attack tonight or get run over by a car this afternoon, I suspect you're heading over to your nearest hospital, not the church or the nearest naturopath in your neighborhood.

Hospitals are by far the best place for trauma but disease control is far more about big money for big pharma and I have no trust in this form of treatment.

I have seen miracles from prayer but have avoided that area in this topic though I appreciate your humour, no problem at all, Christian's in general need to get a humour!

[CaptainMels]

I don't share my experience with this often but I think here is a fitting place. I'll try not to make this too long

I was diagnosed with stage 2 hodgkins lymphoma when I was 19. The factors leading up to that remain a mystery to me -- I've always been an avid runner, did cross country and track all throughout high school and college. Always loved eating a variety of healthy foods, got decent sleep most of the time, etc. No history of this type of cancer in my family, although my mom's side of the family has a history of colon cancer. As far as I know I think it was just random chance, although one possible hypothesis is over-exposure to weed killer chemicals during my landscaping summer job. I've always seen commercials saying "You may be eligible for compensation if you were diagnosed with non-hodgkins lymphoma following use of Round Up weed killer." Unfortunately I wasn't eligible because I had hodgkins, not non-hodgkins lymphoma. So I'm not sure if there is any connection there.

Nevertheless, I count myself incredibly fortunate. In my mind, so many factors came together perfectly that prevented this situation from becoming so much worse. Firstly, hodgkins lymphoma is among the easiest cancers to treat, whereas non-hodgkins lymphoma is essentially a death sentence. I had one tumor in my neck/collarbone area and another larger one hidden beneath my sternum, which classified this as stage 2. The tumors were quite small, however, as I caught it early on. I caught it when I was doing summer training for cross country. I had just finished a run, and by the end I was having some tightness in my shoulder, so I was feeling around for a muscle knot to massage when I felt a small lump at the base of my neck. I didn't think much of it, just attributed it to regular lymph node swelling from fighting an infection. After it persisted another two weeks, I still wasn't worried but decided to tell my parents. Now I have 3 siblings and my parents aren't exactly that well off, so normally going to the doctor for anything is a last resort. But for whatever reason this time they decided to take me in right away. Long story short after some tests and antibiotics, I got my diagnosis.

I don't believe I would have discovered the tumor until much later had I not grown up a runner. Having extra muscle or fat would have made it nearly impossible to feel a tumor that small. Not to mention the very reason I was feeling around that part of my neck was a result of my training. Had I not discovered that tumor, I doubt I would have known I had cancer until I had the physical symptoms like fever and night sweats, at which point the cancer might have spread significantly.

Having caught it this early, I was prescribed the bare minimum chemo and radiation that one can have to treat this cancer. 2 months of chemo (administered once every two weeks) followed by 2 weeks of radiation. Other than some mild skin sensitivity that remains to this day, the radiation was a breeze -- didn't have it for long enough to produce adverse symptoms. But the chemo was miserable. I would not wish it on my worst enemy, nor can I fathom the pain people endure who go through years of treatment at a time. On one of the bad days I had a headache so terrible I literally wanted to die. It was also odd going from running 40+ miles a week pre-chemo to barely being able to jog two blocks down the neighborhood. My heart rate would skyrocket from even the mildest cardio.

The whole experience really put my life in perspective and gives me a firsthand level of empathy for other victims. Had I lived not 100 years earlier, this disease would have killed me. In the case of hodgkins lymphoma, the "brute force" chemo/radiation treatment is often a lasting solution, with healthier individuals remaining in remission for decades at a time if not their whole life. While I definitely agree it's a tragedy we haven't come up with a less barbaric solution to cancer, I don't think I would have done anything differently since the standard treatment for this kind of cancer is a well documented solution.

Almost 10 years later, I'm still in remission today and do intermittent fasting among other things for my health. I don't really worry about it. My mentality is to just focus on the things I can control for my health and whatever happens happens.

So you've always got to take, with a grain of salt, anyone who says, "I beat cancer."

The devil's in the details - what type of cancer? What stage? What was the individual's state of health going into that diagnosis? Was it a correct diagnosis? What treatments did the individual undergo? And so forth.

Could not agree with you more, Yodean. I don't share this part of my life often because people get the wrong idea and start thinking I'm a hero or the subject of a miracle. I was fortunate to get a treatable cancer at a very treatable stage and in good health going into it. Most people don't get so lucky. Calling me a hero is a disservice to the people actually going through this hell of a disease, undergoing treatments tenfold as miserable as mine.

[Yodean]

Almost 10 years later, I'm still in remission today and do intermittent fasting among other things for my health. I don't really worry about it. My mentality is to just focus on the things I can control for my health and whatever happens happens.

So you've always got to take, with a grain of salt, anyone who says, "I beat cancer."

The devil's in the details - what type of cancer? What stage? What was the individual's state of health going into that diagnosis? Was it a correct diagnosis? What treatments did the individual undergo? And so forth.

Could not agree with you more, Yodean. I don't share this part of my life often because people get the wrong idea and start thinking I'm a hero or the subject of a miracle. I was fortunate to get a treatable cancer at a very treatable stage and in good health going into it. Most people don't get so lucky. Calling me a hero is a disservice to the people actually going through this hell of a disease, undergoing treatments tenfold as miserable as mine.

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Thanks for sharing. Glad to hear you do intermittent fasting - very powerful tool for a variety of endpoints, and it's free. Actually, technically it's better than free since you save money by eating less.

Cancer's a very complicated topic, as discussed above.

[bpcw]

I don't share my experience with this often but I think here is a fitting place. I'll try not to make this too long

Thanks for sharing, cancer certainly is complex and nuanced!