2nd Year of an Even Decade ... Best time to Buy?

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MarkD wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 1:56 pm I follow Tom Mclellan, son of the creator of the Oscillators and Summation, on Twitter. He regularly posts items of interest (to me). Below is one he has distributed recently that shows a second pivot is imminent - tax receipts are too high relative to healthy economic growth. It's one reason why things have stalled/slowed as money has been removed from the real economy by the current administration. And the character of this economic behaviour is a cycle. This is from earlier in the year as it's not been posted recently. Very elevated.

https://imgur.com/3S8pWkI
I do not think that is enough data to be useful. Is there anything which goes back further, like the 1970's?

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I don't believe one should ever say the markets "should" have done this or that.

Once someone says that, she loses a certain amount of respect in my eyes. Of course, what I think doesn't really matter.

The markets do as they do. No "shoulds."

Trying to justify why something didn't happen or not is just a subtle manifestation of False Ego, for those who play around with the 4th Way.

A form of rationalization, in essence, for the False Ego's mistakes.

Too late for me this year, but I've since found quite a few who called the tops in late Q4 '21 and early Q1 '22, in real time, and profited from those calls, or at least lost a lot less (on paper) than many of us here.

With that said ...

Copper's breaking to the upside like a coiled snake ... this breakout looks good, don't look too fake ... shorts gonna feel soon the doom ... of the upcoming crackup boom!
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Not that I have seen. Remember, the buck went off the gold standard in early 70s.

I did create this from FED FRED but the ability to display exactly as the previous chart is not available. It does show there was a downtrend in the ratio after peaking in the early 50s that accelerated following the end of the gold standard. Very cyclical since that period.

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Yodean wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:30 pm I don't believe one should ever say the markets "should" have done this or that.

Once someone says that, she loses a certain amount of respect in my eyes. Of course, what I think doesn't really matter.

The markets do as they do. No "shoulds."

Trying to justify why something didn't happen or not is just a subtle manifestation of False Ego, for those who play around with the 4th Way.

A form of rationalization, in essence, for the False Ego's mistakes.

Too late for me this year, but I've since found quite a few who called the tops in late Q4 '21 and early Q1 '22, in real time, and profited from those calls, or at least lost a lot less (on paper) than many of us here.

With that said ...

Copper's breaking to the upside like a coiled snake ... this breakout looks good, don't look too fake ... shorts gonna feel soon the doom ... of the upcoming crackup boom!
I found several that called the top last year and early this year, but their overall track record is also filled with holes. One year's worth of right calls, does not determine a trend. Many of these guys dealt miserably with the Covid crash. So far I have found few new sources that pass the 10-15 year test.

I think we have a combo of factors at play. The big one is the USD and the Feds stubbornness to focus on stale data.

Maybe these lefties will make enough noise to trigger something.

It’s not just investors who don’t like rate hikes. High-ranking politicians are asking the Fed to think twice about raising interest rates, too.

In a scathing letter to Fed Chairman Jerome Powell, a group of 11 lawmakers — including Senator Elizabeth Warren and Senator Bernie Sanders — criticized his commitment to ‘act aggressively’ on rate hikes even if ‘no one knows’ whether the process would lead to a significant recession.

“These statements reflect an apparent disregard for the livelihoods of millions of working Americans, and we are deeply concerned that your interest rate hikes risk slowing the economy to a crawl while failing to slow rising prices that continue to harm families.”.
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Seeing a few individual stocks with similar patterns. Fundamentals will eventually shift as tech layoffs go directly to free cash flow. Lagging data to sentiment and TA.
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What I do not like about the above comparison, is it is almost too perfect!

Like the Market is baiting me to sell all my positions, only to take off again!

On another note, this guy has also found that the market always bottoms during a Recession.

https://twitter.com/saxena_puru/status/ ... 98/photo/1

'Officially', The U.S. is not in a Recession, though. Perhaps the powers that be won't allow it to, either.

Or, the Recession only lasts for 1 Qtr (Q4), like the COVID One, and is announced in Q1 2023?

Anyhow, if a Recession was announced, it would be the most widely anticipated Recession ever.
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If there is indeed a red wave, a recession will be officially proclaimed by MSM before year end, just in time for the holidays. Propaganda rules.
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Jaz wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:49 pm What I do not like about the above comparison, is it is almost too perfect!

Like the Market is baiting me to sell all my positions, only to take off again!

On another note, this guy has also found that the market always bottoms during a Recession.

https://twitter.com/saxena_puru/status/ ... 98/photo/1

'Officially', The U.S. is not in a Recession, though. Perhaps the powers that be won't allow it to, either.

Or, the Recession only lasts for 1 Qtr (Q4), like the COVID One, and is announced in Q1 2023?

Anyhow, if a Recession was announced, it would be the most widely anticipated Recession ever.
I have carefully watched the charts you post here and in the AI forum. You post good charts, and you have a knack for spotting prior patterns. I pose this question: Have you ever seen anything like the COVID crash and then anything like the current situation? There is a new trend emerging, and that is to destroy the free will and replace it with anxiety. An anxious person is twice as easy to control as someone that's fearful, fear has a limited half-life, but anxiety can go on forever. The first way to nurture anxiety is to force people to do something; COVID shots come to mind. The second way is to make them feel like everything is going to end; this war in the market comes to mind

Sadly though, for those that understand this gameplan, a lot of money stands to be made; however, one could pose this argument. Is making more money worth it when you have no freedom? We live in an increasingly polarised world, where sanity will soon be regarded as one of the most valuable commodities.
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SOL wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:55 pm I have carefully watched the charts you post here and in the AI forum. You post good charts, and you have a knack for spotting prior patterns. I pose this question: Have you ever seen anything like the COVID crash and then anything like the current situation? There is a new trend emerging, and that is to destroy the free will and replace it with anxiety. An anxious person is twice as easy to control as someone that's fearful, fear has a limited half-life, but anxiety can go on forever. The first way to nurture anxiety is to force people to do something; COVID shots come to mind. The second way is to make them feel like everything is going to end; this war in the market comes to mind

Sadly though, for those that understand this gameplan, a lot of money stands to be made; however, one could pose this argument. Is making more money worth it when you have no freedom? We live in an increasingly polarised world, where sanity will soon be regarded as one of the most valuable commodities.
I pose this question: Have you ever seen anything like the COVID crash and then anything like the current situation?
No. But, I always had a suspicion the market wanted to retest the late 2018 lows. I just couldn't figure out what would cause it to drop.

What did your Bullish/Bearish/Neutral readings look like for Q3 2008, verses today, Q4 2022?

Sol, please elaborate further. What do you think happens next in this playbook?

I see a stock price pattern in the Wiltshire 5000 which looks so similar and perfect, I am deeply suspicious. As in, Mr. Market is setting a Bear Trap to try and make me unload so he can take all my shares, and do the unexpected, shoot higher. Mr. Market set a Bull Trap last year by replaying the Nasdaq Dotcom Mania pattern, just before it was supposed to go Parabolic, it collapsed.

On the contrary, one could also argue Mr. Market is getting very creative, and knows the masses see the Wiltshire Pattern playing out, but also knows the masses are now conditioned to think it won't happen, as the prior years Nasdaq pattern didn't play out. So, Mr. Market will surprise them, and make the pattern play out and collapse the market.

While other cycles and indicators suggest we are at a bottom, and also know any recession would be of no surprise at all. We also know liquidity is good, and the Fed won't want to be seen to collapse the market by their rate raising sheanigans (to avoid any blame).

This all leads to deep uncertainty, which equals Anxiety. Someone said it is uncertainty, rather than fear which signals a bottom. Might have been you. Anyhow, I am uncertain/anxious. Previously, this has indicated a bottom.
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I will reply in more detail later on, probably tomorrow. Just a bit tired today.
This all leads to deep uncertainty, which equals Anxiety. Someone said it is uncertainty rather than fear which signals a bottom. Might have been you. Anyhow, I am uncertain/anxious. Previously, this has indicated a bottom.
However, one sign that uncertainty levels are at an extreme point is when Neutral readings are above 50 but ideally above 52. They are trending upward but still have a ways to go before hitting the 50 mark. While the crowd is anxious, they are not anxious enough based on the current readings.

There are several scenarios, but two come to mind. I will complete this tomorrow.
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Jaz wrote: Wed Nov 02, 2022 11:17 pm We are in the latter part of the 2nd Year of an even decade. In all even Decades, except 1900's, 1920's, where it was the 3rd year, the Market moved on to new highs. This is statistically the best time to buy, with 120 Years of Data points!

My only reservation is if it weren't for Covid, we probably would have experienced a normal recession, anyway. So, Dow should have been stuck in a sideways trend for two years from March 2020, to October 2022. All that QE, and now QT might have distorted this cycle? i.e. FED broke it.

What do you all think?

See for yourselves ...

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart

(Select Monthly Timescale for Max Data)

What I really DO NOT like, is the fact that the DOW is more higher this October than the preceeding March 2020 low than in any of the other Cycle. By a massive long shot when compared to other cycles!

IS the cycle now broke, or will the cycle playbook play out once more?
Tell my why on earth you think that this would happen. Do you think that the market is some kind of sentient being that decides to rise reliably once every 20 years because it realises that it's the second year of an even decade?

I'm sure you don’t, you are merely pointing out certain similarities. Which is very interesting. And the market might very well tank next year. Who knows? If it does, is that because of the wiggles and jiggles or for some other reason?

What is the rationale?
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Jaz wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:03 pm This all leads to deep uncertainty, which equals Anxiety. Someone said it is uncertainty, rather than fear which signals a bottom. Might have been you. Anyhow, I am uncertain/anxious. Previously, this has indicated a bottom.
Fear and Greed are impulse emotions which entice (perhaps 'force') one to act (for better or worse).

Fear and Greed = Action.

Uncertainty is worse - those who are uncertain are unwilling to commit one way or the other.

Uncertainty = Inaction.

Psychologically at least, uncertainty can be very unpleasant. We tend to feel much better when we are 'doing something' about the situation, even if it eventually turns out that what we did made it worse!
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Jaz wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:03 pm Anyhow, I am uncertain/anxious. Previously, this has indicated a bottom.
There's a bit on an interesting pattern I've been watching, among many others.

Taking into consideration your posts here in this forum as well as the AITT forum, you tend to post a lot of charts near important turning points in the markets.

For example, from what I remember, you posted a lot of bullish charts regarding the Nasdaq (e.g. projecting going to 17k+, etc.) around the time the Nasdaq topped above 16k, on the AITT forum.

Similarly, you've recently posted more on this forum, usually bearish scenarios.

Tradeable bottom's likely in, assuming s&p 3600 holds on a weekly closing basis.

:lol:

Not meant as an insult in any way. I just have a bunch of unusual sentiment indicators I record, including those involving my own posts.
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Jaz wrote: Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:03 pm
No. But, I always had a suspicion the market wanted to retest the late 2018 lows. I just couldn't figure out what would cause it to drop.

What did your Bullish/Bearish/Neutral readings look like for Q3 2008, verses today, Q4 2022?

Sol, please elaborate further. What do you think happens next in this playbook?

I see a stock price pattern in the Wiltshire 5000 which looks so similar and perfect, I am deeply suspicious. As in, Mr. Market is setting a Bear Trap to try and make me unload so he can take all my shares, and do the unexpected, shoot higher. Mr. Market set a Bull Trap last year by replaying the Nasdaq Dotcom Mania pattern, just before it was supposed to go Parabolic, it collapsed.

On the contrary, one could also argue Mr. Market is getting very creative, and knows the masses see the Wiltshire Pattern playing out, but also knows the masses are now conditioned to think it won't happen, as the prior years Nasdaq pattern didn't play out. So, Mr. Market will surprise them, and make the pattern play out and collapse the market.

While other cycles and indicators suggest we are at a bottom, and also know any recession would be of no surprise at all. We also know liquidity is good, and the Fed won't want to be seen to collapse the market by their rate raising sheanigans (to avoid any blame).

This all leads to deep uncertainty, which equals Anxiety. Someone said it is uncertainty, rather than fear which signals a bottom. Might have been you. Anyhow, I am uncertain/anxious. Previously, this has indicated a bottom.
So as stated there are several scenarios two stand out.

First, the war of attrition continues, and the June 2022 lows hold on a weekly basis. This might actually be worse than the second option because while the indices rise and fall, more stocks will fall than will rise. For example, take stock ABC, the Dow tacks on 2000 points, the stock gains 15%. The Dow then drops 2200 points over two weeks, and the stock sheds 10%; it then reports good earnings, but nervous nellies want more, so the stock sheds 30%. The Dow tacks on 3000 points again, but the stock is still down 16%. Many stocks follow this pattern; this is sometimes referred to as a silent bear or a silent massacre, where the indices mask the true extent of the slaughter.

The second option

Care to guess why bonds are still not rallying as fast as they should? There should have been a massive counter-rally in play by now. One of the new reasons is that investors pull money out of bonds and money market accounts and buy more stocks. In other words, they are attempting to act like contrarians. This is a big No-No for the big players. Heaven forbid the small guy masters the simple secret of embracing crashes. In this scenario, the big players create a nice counter-trend rally, which is in play now. The rally is quite strong, and the Dow might even test the secondary, albeit higher, but lower probability targets of 35K. Currently, these higher targets have since moved into the medium probability zone. By taking the Aug highs out would create the look that a new bull is potentially underway, and shortly after that, the markets will pull back softly at first and then gain momentum.

If this trick is employed, the indices will trade decisively below their June lows, even for a brief period. This is the only way to break the mindset of the masses and reinforce the old belief that one should run and sell everything when the market is crashing.

Lastly, while the crowd is anxious, their anxiety is manageable; it has to get out of control. Neutral readings of 53 plus indicate that the crowd is close to hitting the learned helplessness stage; this happens when your anxiety levels go through the roof, but you don’t know what course of action will alleviate them, so you break down.

Bearish sentiment is also not at very high levels. It would need to get to 60 several times (ideally 65) to indicate an extreme inflexion point has been hit.
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