Interim Update Sept 9, 2022

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I used to pay a lot of attention to the morning and afternoon trades now I only look for unusually high volume in the morning or afternoon, but even then i am doing less of it as that data is no longer as useful as it once used to be. The manipulation is significantly higher and more overt nowadays than in the past

If i am short term trading I wait until the daily charts and weekly charts are aligned, and i monitor sentiment. So if want to go long (short term trade), I will wait for the daily and weekly oscillators and other TA indicators I use to be in the oversold ranges (the more oversold the better) and I want bullish sentiment to be below TI's historical average of 39. The results if applied properly is a win ratio of close to 70%. However, sometimes the jackass in me takes over and i get into at trade earlier instead of waiting and then things don't always worked out as planned. Though i am making less of those mistakes as of late, trying to work my way to being a good Jedi Like Homey Yodean :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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SOL wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:21 pm
scremonini wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:49 pm Hello Sol and all fellow members

have we considered that the markets may fail to enter the TRUST phase and instead of a bounce just steadily enter the final part of the correction and take out the previous lows pushing bullish readings to 2008/9 lows creating the FOAB ? Keeping in mind enough people expect the bounce and readings are on neutral ranges on monthly charts, not oversold. Geopolitical situation is bad enough to require more extremes of negativity..

If this comes to pass many subscribers would probably find themselves without ammunition to buy the panic screaming sell off being already overinvested as we hope for a decent relief rally.

Also if either way the most likely outcome is that soon or later the markets will take out summer lows, wouldn't it be the safest option to build cash despite locking in losses should markets trade lower by the end of the year?

following the same approach of not fixating to buy at the minimum, with not trying to sell at the top, but avoiding been caught without gunpowder when the right time to punch comes.
This question needs a detailed response, but for now, I will offer a brief response due to time constraints and the fact that i am on the road.

One way to raise cash if one is short on cash would be even if one happens to hold every stock during a crash, would be to sell the stock or stocks and immediately purchase the equivalent in LEAPS. So, for example, if you owned 100 shares of WMT. You would sell WMT and then purchase one In the money LEAP call with at least 12 but preferably over 15 months of time premium on it. Now you have extra firepower for other plays.

The second option is to use the Market Status chart we created to determine how much cash one should raise.

other options are to customise our suggestions. Overall we were expecting two corrections. Hence traders could and can still use rallies to raise some cash, especially in those positions that are or were recently in the BLACK like KMB, WMT, LDOS, CHPT, etc.

Now having said all this, if bearish readings rise within the next 10 days to or above 57 it should trigger a powerful counter-rally. The bullish sentiment should soar above at least 45 before the markets put in a longer-term top.

The resident doc AKA Yodean has been getting into the ITM calls game quite aggressively so he might be able to shed some more light on this strategy for you
Some questions for Sol et al : in last two updates aug27 and sept 9 the mrket status chart is registering "Normal" and in the 6 actions listed there is no mention of what to do for "normal". so? Also if maybe on those 2 specific dates were normal (if one could define normal does it simply mean neither overbought or oversold?) i would not classify in my mind the market status as normal over the last one week? Does the Mstatus change on a dime and if so where is it today 091622? If it changes that fast then one wonders how useful it is.......
Secondly some time ago i believe u mentioned that usually 1 in 4 long call options (maybe puts r worse) score big time but score big enuf to ovecome the 3 losers - so to what degree does ITM 12-15 mo call options change the odds?
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Centeron631 wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:04 pm
SOL wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 5:21 pm
scremonini wrote: Thu Sep 15, 2022 4:49 pm Hello Sol and all fellow members

have we considered that the markets may fail to enter the TRUST phase and instead of a bounce just steadily enter the final part of the correction and take out the previous lows pushing bullish readings to 2008/9 lows creating the FOAB ? Keeping in mind enough people expect the bounce and readings are on neutral ranges on monthly charts, not oversold. Geopolitical situation is bad enough to require more extremes of negativity..

If this comes to pass many subscribers would probably find themselves without ammunition to buy the panic screaming sell off being already overinvested as we hope for a decent relief rally.

Also if either way the most likely outcome is that soon or later the markets will take out summer lows, wouldn't it be the safest option to build cash despite locking in losses should markets trade lower by the end of the year?

following the same approach of not fixating to buy at the minimum, with not trying to sell at the top, but avoiding been caught without gunpowder when the right time to punch comes.
This question needs a detailed response, but for now, I will offer a brief response due to time constraints and the fact that i am on the road.

One way to raise cash if one is short on cash would be even if one happens to hold every stock during a crash, would be to sell the stock or stocks and immediately purchase the equivalent in LEAPS. So, for example, if you owned 100 shares of WMT. You would sell WMT and then purchase one In the money LEAP call with at least 12 but preferably over 15 months of time premium on it. Now you have extra firepower for other plays.

The second option is to use the Market Status chart we created to determine how much cash one should raise.

other options are to customise our suggestions. Overall we were expecting two corrections. Hence traders could and can still use rallies to raise some cash, especially in those positions that are or were recently in the BLACK like KMB, WMT, LDOS, CHPT, etc.

Now having said all this, if bearish readings rise within the next 10 days to or above 57 it should trigger a powerful counter-rally. The bullish sentiment should soar above at least 45 before the markets put in a longer-term top.

The resident doc AKA Yodean has been getting into the ITM calls game quite aggressively so he might be able to shed some more light on this strategy for you
Some questions for Sol et al : in last two updates aug27 and sept 9 the mrket status chart is registering "Normal" and in the 6 actions listed there is no mention of what to do for "normal". so? Also if maybe on those 2 specific dates were normal (if one could define normal does it simply mean neither overbought or oversold?) i would not classify in my mind the market status as normal over the last one week? Does the Mstatus change on a dime and if so where is it today 091622? If it changes that fast then one wonders how useful it is.......
Secondly some time ago i believe u mentioned that usually 1 in 4 long call options (maybe puts r worse) score big time but score big enuf to ovecome the 3 losers - so to what degree does ITM 12-15 mo call options change the odds?
If I were you, I would think of the Market Status Chart as registering NEUTRAL as apposed to NORMAL and think about how the adjacent sections on the dial relate to your trading. For instance, if you are only playing the Greens in the trend portfolio, which are relatively safe bets, then you would still let it ride at this point. All recommendations are still in play. If the next Update comes out and the needle is in the overbought section of the dial then maybe start to cover some assets. I think you need to stick to a certain time horizon for your investments in order to benefit from the Market Status Chart. One that jives with the TI philosophy otherwise it may not work for you. Feel free to put your own twist on it in conjunction with your own level of risk in mind. This is TI's attempt at setting some simple guidelines for people to consider. And well done I might add. For now it remains Normal or "Neutral", if you please.

In response to your second question, I believe that one has to decide where the market is going in the medium and long term. Of course this is subjective also ( as I consider 60 minute charts short term, dailies medium and weeklies long term for a lot of my trading, hell, for my currency crosses it's 15 min, 60 min, daily). From what I have seen with TI, the option recommendations seem to take these factors into account with emphasis on the weeklies then dailies. I feel ITM 12-15 month call options loose value very quickly if the market moves against you and if it does come back the makers shave off quite a bit of premium. Not worth it. In fact, I would be more inclined to trade ITM Calls with less than a month or two left if I was confident the market was going to move my way quickly.

Just my thoughts
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Centeron631 wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 5:04 pm so to what degree does ITM 12-15 mo call options change the odds?
Just to add to Chip's thoughts, it also depends how "ITM" the options are - so the more ITM, the better the chance you'll at least break even - but the more ITM, the less you profit. Prolly you know this already.

You can use the delta when you buy the ITM LEAPS to get a sense of how the LEAPS will do ... so, a delta of 0.75 equates to the chance (75%) that the call option will expire ITM, at the time when you purchase the option.

It really depends on how the underlying stock does during that time period - so if you've got a good read on the stock, the LEAPS should do well.

Once you hit about 90 to 100 days from expiry, you may want to start thinking about taking profits/losses on at least a portion of your LEAPS. You don't really want to wait until about 42 to 45 days from expiration, after which theta decay becomes exponential.

For me, the deep ITM LEAPS stuff is to be used judiciously, as a substitute for buying shares - in order to free up extra cash/margin room.

Been getting daily, small margin calls this week. This week's COT data just came out and although it is not everything, it cheered me up a bit.

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chippermon wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:46 pm
Just my thoughts
Been meaning to ask you - do you hedge your equity portfolio, and if so, when and how?
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I took some time to reread the "Plunder from Down Under" two August issues, and these are the main points of the theme I took note of:

PLUNDER FROM DOWN UNDER August 2022
The MACD histogram has given a sell signal, and the RSI is in overbought territory.
There's been no increase in "on balance volume". We would expect an increase if a new leg up is to be powered.
There are plenty of stats that show insider selling peaks before major tops, and indeed, this has been confirmed in this run

PLUNDER FROM DOWN UNDER August 2022 No. 2
Our "Big Picture" view/bias is that the current market strength is a reaction in a larger downtrend and
that the market is likely to fall a lot further due to fundamentals.

Close of trade 12 Aug 22
time to get rid of some dog stocks

Close of Trade 20 Aug 22
The S & P dropped 1.29%. Technically the MACD lines haven't
crossed yet. Declines start with baby steps. Are we entering the C wave for a new cyclic low? It is definitely time NOT to buy now unless there are any extreme over-sold situations- but I can't see any at the moment.

"For the first time in several months, the S&P approached its 200-day average on Monday, and so far, it has failed to pop above it. Similar behaviour led to large losses in:
• 1930 (-34% over the next year)
• 1973 (-40%)
• 2001 (-23%)
• 2008 (-34%)

Perhaps of greatest technical significance is that the 200-
day-moving-average is in a well-established downwards move.

Close of trade 22 Aug
The S&P has "rolled over" well and truly now with a fall of 2.11% and a crossing of the MACD indicator.
There were just too many technical signs to ignore leading up to this so anyone who was not forearmed have only themselves to blame. This is by no means a capitulation move-it is the start of an accelerating down trend finishing near its lows.
The sentiment index is still neutral whereas it should be very fearful. We don't know how far the index will fall, but if this is "the BIG Elliot C wave" we could see falls to the 2008 low zone. Many believe that
the Fed will pivot. Will they? They see money being pumped into the system that they can't stop. They know that this is inflationary so our bet is that the Fed will hold their course for the foreseeable future and
truth be told, this is not very far ahead!

Close of Market 30 Aug 22
The low of the session was 3965; overall, the S & P was down 1.1%
We are in the third impulsive sub down wave of Wave C as Elliot would have it. We are well away from a MACD signal for reversing the downtrend and as yet there is still not any large selling volumes.

We can say at the very least that the market is in a weak position and that fundamentals are poor with hope resting on the belief that the Fed will put together another money-pumping exercise.

It seems to me they are saying the July 5 - August 16 upward move was the move we have been waiting for.
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I am afraid you are correct..
Unless a white swan events comes out of nowhere like the end of Ukr conflict and sanctions
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Yodean wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 8:22 pm
chippermon wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 6:46 pm
Just my thoughts
Been meaning to ask you - do you hedge your equity portfolio, and if so, when and how?
Well, not in a serious way. After April of this year I have been trying to build up more cash from equities. I have been buying some options on the index ETFs that are maybe 6 months out, sometimes 3 months out. I find I often don't hold them very long so this ends up taking more time out of my day so I think I could do better with that. TQQQ, SQQQ, SPXL are flavours of choice. I have been dabbling with VIX call options as well. These of course must be short term in duration and close to the money and generally harder to read with TA but often very rewarding.

I have been very active with the USD crosses this year so that might be considered a bit of a hedge. ??? Very very strong correlation between the Dollar and Equities. Pretty much don't make a move these days without dissecting both. JPY crosses too, because of the carry trade. Everybody is borrowing Yen to buy USD which, as I write this now, seems to possibly need some more study. Oh Boy!

BTW new long term target activated yesterday on DXY at 158.34. I know you are a proponent.

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Very nice summary, Lori, thanks.

Yes, the plunderer favours the scenario that you described, i.e. we have already seen the ralley and are in for another move down.

TI still favours their scenario with the ralley still to come before we take another dive.

Other scenarios are possible too. No one knows what is going to happen.

Yodean shared several good posts during last days and weeks on the topic. Imo his approach makes sense: try to imagine all possible scenarios and attribute a possibility to each one of them.
Then, try to plan for the most likely scenarios. At least, that is what I am trying to do. This involves adjusting my cash position and having a clear vision of what happens to my portfolio in scenario A or B.
The hardest part for me is to accept that no ones knows what will happen. I mean it is clear that no ones got a working crystal ball, but at the moment it seems somehow even harder to predict the future than before, if that makes sense.
However, once accepted it allows me to concentrate on possible scenarios that different sources, i.e. TI, Yodean, the plunderer, others inside and outside this forum. And I am grateful to all of them for sharing their opinion.

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chippermon wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:55 am BTW new long term target activated yesterday on DXY at 158.34. I know you are a proponent.
Long-term I am a big USD bull - USD will likely challenge 120+ in '23, I am guessing. The whole USD Black Hole/Milkshake thing.

Short-term I personally think USD topped on an interim basis the week of September 5th - for me, the 110-111 level is very important (accounting for quick overshoots, of course) - for a period of time. I think that level will prolly hold for a bit. I also think oil made an interim bottom that same week, and gold's likely bottoming (interim) this week. BTC held above the support zone of 19 to 19.5k on an interim basis, a somewhat important zone for me, and never confirmed below. This week's COT data also more or less supports the above, to my eyes.

Although the USD did just close weekly at its highest in 20 years or so, I think. So there's that.

Overall, I'm quite bullish on risk assets atm. Lots of volatility around Fed rate hike expectations next week, and always the potential for various Light and Dark Swans, but I don't generally invest on the basis of the colour of these birds. Maybe I should, lol.

I don't agree with every tiny thing the speaker below says, but on balance, his views in aggregate align with mine, FWIW:

https://youtu.be/27Oc-NvriwU?t=1
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Yep, I'm still bullish on risk assets, especially now. Don't believe in the Elliott Wave stuff mentioned in previous posts by others very much - tends to be very accurate in hindsight. Not so much in real time - one can always redraw the lines, the counts, after price action has occurred. Elliott Wave interpretation imo tends to reflect the individual analyst's views - so if she's bearish, there will be a way to draw the lines and counts for a bearish interpretation, and vice versa for a bullish analyst.
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Yodean wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:42 pm
chippermon wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 11:55 am BTW new long term target activated yesterday on DXY at 158.34. I know you are a proponent.
Long-term I am a big USD bull - USD will likely challenge 120+ in '23, I am guessing. The whole USD Black Hole/Milkshake thing.

Short-term I personally think USD topped on an interim basis the week of September 5th - for me, the 110-111 level is very important (accounting for quick overshoots, of course) - for a period of time. I think that level will prolly hold for a bit. I also think oil made an interim bottom that same week, and gold's likely bottoming (interim) this week. BTC held above the support zone of 19 to 19.5k on an interim basis, a somewhat important zone for me, and never confirmed below. This week's COT data also more or less supports the above, to my eyes.

Although the USD did just close weekly at its highest in 20 years or so, I think. So there's that.

Overall, I'm quite bullish on risk assets atm. Lots of volatility around Fed rate hike expectations next week, and always the potential for various Light and Dark Swans, but I don't generally invest on the basis of the colour of these birds. Maybe I should, lol.

I don't agree with every tiny thing the speaker below says, but on balance, his views in aggregate align with mine, FWIW:

https://youtu.be/27Oc-NvriwU?t=1
Well. I'm pretty much in agreement here with you. I think I have mentioned it somewhere else on this forum but I do think DXY will come back to possibly 104-106 before it takes off again. My thoughts are it will coincide with the mini rally in equities over the next several weeks before the bottom falls out, in equities, moving towards the end of the year beginning of next.

I still think oil can go to 76 but it will hit 91 first. Gold is done man. I'm not looking at that until 1509 maybe. Right now my money is on BTC 29340 then I have to rethink the whole thing. Huge pocket of liquidity between 28000 and 32000. If that breaks then 37500 at best.

I like what Litman is saying. It makes sense to me. I guess we'll see. It's complicated to say the least
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DrSven wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2022 12:25 pm Very nice summary, Lori, thanks.

Yes, the plunderer favours the scenario that you described, i.e. we have already seen the ralley and are in for another move down.

TI still favours their scenario with the ralley still to come before we take another dive.

Other scenarios are possible too. No one knows what is going to happen.

Yodean shared several good posts during last days and weeks on the topic. Imo his approach makes sense: try to imagine all possible scenarios and attribute a possibility to each one of them.
Then, try to plan for the most likely scenarios. At least, that is what I am trying to do. This involves adjusting my cash position and having a clear vision of what happens to my portfolio in scenario A or B.
The hardest part for me is to accept that no ones knows what will happen. I mean it is clear that no ones got a working crystal ball, but at the moment it seems somehow even harder to predict the future than before, if that makes sense.
However, once accepted it allows me to concentrate on possible scenarios that different sources, i.e. TI, Yodean, the plunderer, others inside and outside this forum. And I am grateful to all of them for sharing their opinion.

Just my 2c and nfa.
It depends on what timeline you are basing your observations on.

The short term is very difficult to predict and even when it is, it is the wrong time frame to base one investments on. The focus should be on the long term and the short term like TA should be used when possible to fine tune entries and sometimes exits. Even when it was easier to determine the short-term trend say 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, etc, years ago, we would always focus on the long-term outlook.


Having said that yes, it is getting harder than before to determine the shorter-term trend. And the main reason is the money supply. We stated this many times over the years; as the money supply increases, there will be more manipulation.

Indirectly related to the money supply is this event or development

Another thing which I will get into later is that only 10% can really win when times are normal. We have two events that change the equation

The normal equation is something like this. 0.1 to 1% at the top. This figure has changed it is now closer to 3%
Then astute players/critical thinkers make up another 10%. Before the top players but critical thinkers would compromise 10.1 to 11% of the populace; this was an acceptable number.

However, the number of individuals in the top camp has grown and that is because some of them have become soft and allowed other usually unwanted elements to enter. There is a culling taking place. It is an intense battle for these individuals to understand the old way of investing well and so the way to kill them is via a war of attrition

Next, you have the astute players, through analysis, MP, etc they also came to learn this game well and so they need to be destroyed. This is also a tough play. As to why these people need to be reduced in number. It has to do with the massive increase in the money supply. The more money is, the more control the big players need in order to control dissent. So this group needs to be reduced to roughly 6% and the Top players need to shed at least 2 per cent but if they are aiming to push the US debt towards the 65 to 100 trillion mark, they need to drop it down to by 2.1 to 2.4 leaving only 0.6 to 0.9% at the top.

As both groups contain very smart individuals, the only way to knock them out is by using a new play. Hence the war of extremes and the battle of Attrition
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SOL wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 6:47 am
It depends on what timeline you are basing your observations on.

The short term is very difficult to predict and even when it is, it is the wrong time frame to base one investments on. The focus should be on the long term and the short term like TA should be used when possible to fine tune entries and sometimes exits. Even when it was easier to determine the short-term trend say 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, etc, years ago, we would always focus on the long-term outlook.
Well, I thought the goal was to use this rally to sell our shares and get into 80%-100% cash before the expected crash.

I understand no one knows the future. I am learning.

Also, looking at the charts for this past year, I see that I kept buying more shares in a down-trending market. All the books I have read so far say to buy on an up-trend.
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