MU Vs Others

[outof thebox]

In response to Sol's comment on money, FREEDOM is all that matters. What goes on around you is not important. Family, Faith, other interests dominate my list.

Health and freedom yep. Money is a bonus.

However as time keeps going, the masses are getting more and more into money worshipping.

It’s getting too fashionable to be a market participant which is why a total market flush of the masses is really needed.

The masses are just dumb asses. You can't save those dudes. Honestly i think its a waste of good energy to even try. I started to adopt Sol's strategy. Now I decide in advance which family gatherings I will attend or not. Your biggest enemies are usually close at hand.

Worse yet the more at peace you are or the more successful you become, the more those closest to you react in a negative manner.

Money is really a bonus. Health is numero uno

[AstuteShift]

In response to Sol's comment on money, FREEDOM is all that matters. What goes on around you is not important. Family, Faith, other interests dominate my list.

Health and freedom yep. Money is a bonus.

However as time keeps going, the masses are getting more and more into money worshipping.

It’s getting too fashionable to be a market participant which is why a total market flush of the masses is really needed.

The masses are just dumb asses. You can't save those dudes. Honestly i think its a waste of good energy to even try. I started to adopt Sol's strategy. Now I decide in advance which family gatherings I will attend or not. Your biggest enemies are usually close at hand.

Worse yet the more at peace you are or the more successful you become, the more those closest to you react in a negative manner.

Money is really a bonus. Health is numero uno

Haha been doing that since childhood.

Family can really be a deterrent to success, especially if they’re leeches

[SOL]

Health and freedom yep. Money is a bonus.

However as time keeps going, the masses are getting more and more into money worshipping.

It’s getting too fashionable to be a market participant which is why a total market flush of the masses is really needed.

The masses are just dumb asses. You can't save those dudes. Honestly i think its a waste of good energy to even try. I started to adopt Sol's strategy. Now I decide in advance which family gatherings I will attend or not. Your biggest enemies are usually close at hand.

Worse yet the more at peace you are or the more successful you become, the more those closest to you react in a negative manner.

Money is really a bonus. Health is numero uno

Haha been doing that since childhood.

Family can really be a deterrent to success, especially if they’re leeches

From a logical point of view, it is sad that those closest to you could so callously seek your demise. Oh well, that is the world we live in, where foes are friends and friends are foes

[LoriPrecisely]

The masses are just dumb asses. You can't save those dudes. Honestly i think its a waste of good energy to even try. I started to adopt Sol's strategy. Now I decide in advance which family gatherings I will attend or not. Your biggest enemies are usually close at hand.

Worse yet the more at peace you are or the more successful you become, the more those closest to you react in a negative manner.

Money is really a bonus. Health is numero uno

Haha been doing that since childhood.

Family can really be a deterrent to success, especially if they’re leeches

From a logical point of view, it is sad that those closest to you could so callously seek your demise. Oh well, that is the world we live in, where foes are friends and friends are foes

I don't understand this either. I puzzle over what has gone wrong in my family. Then I realized that in the oldest recorded history book the families were hurting each other back then, too.

[SOL]

Haha been doing that since childhood.

Family can really be a deterrent to success, especially if they’re leeches

From a logical point of view, it is sad that those closest to you could so callously seek your demise. Oh well, that is the world we live in, where foes are friends and friends are foes

I don't understand this either. I puzzle over what has gone wrong in my family. Then I realized that in the oldest recorded history book the families were hurting each other back then, too.

There is an iron lining to this, with foes, you know in advance where they stand and can adjust the situation and even turn it around. With family and so-called sunshine friends, you don't know where they stand until you start shining. We all have trojan horses; the art Is in identifying them as soon as possible.

Some good quotes

“Better one true friend than a hundred relatives.”


“I come from a family where gravy is considered a beverage.”

“If minutes were kept of a family gathering, they would show that “Members not Present”and “Subjects Discussed” were one and the same.”

“If you don’t believe in ghosts, you’ve never been to a family reunion.”

“If you ever start feeling like you have the goofiest, craziest, most dysfunctional family in the world, all you have to do is go to a state fair. Because five minutes at the fair, you’ll be going, ‘you know, we’re alright. We are dang near royalty.”

“Insanity does not run in my family. Rather, it strolls through, taking its time, getting to know everyone personally.”

“Insanity is knowing that what you’re doing is completely idiotic, but still, somehow, you just can’t stop it.”

And the best one

“My uncle’s dying wish – he wanted me on his lap. He was in the electric chair.”

[harryg]

From a logical point of view, it is sad that those closest to you could so callously seek your demise. Oh well, that is the world we live in, where foes are friends and friends are foes

I don't understand this either. I puzzle over what has gone wrong in my family. Then I realized that in the oldest recorded history book the families were hurting each other back then, too.

There is an iron lining to this, with foes, you know in advance where they stand and can adjust the situation and even turn it around. With family and so-called sunshine friends, you don't know where they stand until you start shining. We all have trojan horses; the art Is in identifying them as soon as possible.

Some good quotes

“Better one true friend than a hundred relatives.”


“I come from a family where gravy is considered a beverage.”

“If minutes were kept of a family gathering, they would show that “Members not Present”and “Subjects Discussed” were one and the same.”

“If you don’t believe in ghosts, you’ve never been to a family reunion.”

“If you ever start feeling like you have the goofiest, craziest, most dysfunctional family in the world, all you have to do is go to a state fair. Because five minutes at the fair, you’ll be going, ‘you know, we’re alright. We are dang near royalty.”

“Insanity does not run in my family. Rather, it strolls through, taking its time, getting to know everyone personally.”

“Insanity is knowing that what you’re doing is completely idiotic, but still, somehow, you just can’t stop it.”

And the best one

“My uncle’s dying wish – he wanted me on his lap. He was in the electric chair.”

I do like the last one!


I've pondered this question quite a lot, and not only because of my own family and outlaws.

Ideally family and 'friends' would want what is best for you, or at worst be indifferent, so why the negativity?

I think that it is a combination of delight in the failure of others, and jealousy.

Many people like to see others fail, because it cements them in their own worldview of failure and misery. It's a short step from relishing the failure of others to actively hoping for it, and even contributing to it.

If you are immune to it, or 'escape' in some way (not just financially), the jealousy kicks in.


We had some good French friends who went to live in Guadeloupe. Then they moved to Martinique, and we visited them there. After about 8 years of this adventure, they returned to France.

How did their French friends react? One would have thought that the absolute minimum would be "Wow, what an adventure! What was it like? Tell us all about it!"

Nope, almost to a man, they said "You came back then".

This is a very telling comment. In a few short words they are not only dismissing the entire episode, but implying that if you return from doing something completely different and exciting for eight years then you have done nothing at all.

This is both jealousy of the adventure, and delight at the 'failure' (as they see it, confirmed by the return). It tells them that they were right to stay put and do nothing.


Fortunately there is no shortage of people with a more positive and supportive attitude.

[bpcw]

Interesting Harryg, made me think now!

I think that when we identify with a particular group, family, friends, neighbours etc., the human instinct is to compare and this then becomes like a mirror to ourselves and how we view ourselves. Someone is doing better financially, has a more attractive partner, kids doing better in sport or academically. We therefore feel good or bad about ourselves relative to our perception of how we rank within the particular peer group. So one could feel great driving up our street in our nice new car to the biggest house on the street but then feel intimidated when meeting family as most have bigger houses and more expensive cars.

The problem stems from identity issues. If my identity is in my wealth then I'll feel more insecure around wealthier people. If I'm a professional sportsman then it is probably in my sport so I can feel insecure around better people in my sport and the expectation I place upon myself to meet the standards of those around me. So the issues arise because someone in our peer group is making us feel bad about ourselves because the perception we have is that they are doing better. Jealousy is too easily the result, then resentment which results in a desire to see the other person fail to alleviate the negative feelings we have towards ourselves. We can then criticise them, create a false narrative that they have in fact failed or they're just lucky etc.

This is all typical and is an immature way to respond to other's and based on, in my opinion, a false identity, which results in false expectations and therefore negative responses to other's. My personal identity is primarily that I am a child of God, and that I am loved unconditionally, there is nothing I can do to make God love me more or less, therefore the pressure and expectations upon myself are small. I don't need therefore to compare myself to other's. Of course this is all very idealistic and as believers we can have issues but this just highlights the extent to which our faith is at, I personally find that the more connected I feel to God the less I'm concerned about where I'm at relative to other's. We can profess a faith in God but our behaviour and responses demonstrate how strong it is, as Jesus said "you can tell a tree by it's fruit".

Now of course you don't have to believe in God to have better responses towards others. For example, you could have an attitude that we all come into this world with nothing and will go out the same way, that ultimately in and of ourselves we are nothing special so why not just accept our circumstances and make the most of them, celebrate life and try to help others around us. Well that would make life better for starters and this is my attitude actually as part of my faith.

[Yodean]

I think that it is a combination of delight in the failure of others, and jealousy.

Schadenfreude. Them Germans pretty smart. Universal.

Deep at our core, most of us fear most to meet, face to face, the person (or Ninjedi) we could have been.

[LoriPrecisely]

I once heard a speaker (Henry Wright) say, "The definition of envy is, 'I like what you have, but since I can't have it, I don't like you.'"

[Yodean]

Oh well, that is the world we live in, where foes are friends and friends are foes

Indeed, one learns most, arguably, from interactions with Frenemies.

Friction is necessary.

Controlled opposition, from a certain perspective, is also another way of saying Frenemy.

Iron sharpens iron.

[scott]

I think that it is a combination of delight in the failure of others, and jealousy.

Schadenfreude. Them Germans pretty smart. Universal.

Deep at our core, most of us fear most to meet, face to face, the person (or Ninjedi) we could have been.

Or thought we could. Good insight Yo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBiewQrpBBA

[Yodean]

Or thought we could. Good insight Yo.

Thanks. It's always fun to look at what triggers us out of proportion to the objective circumstances. This applies equally to positive emotions.

Or get really drunk, talk a lot with a bunch of strangers about a variety of topics, and have your designated driver significant other record the key parts of the conversations.