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MarkD wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:36 pm I now see the benefit of merging TIT with some of my former TA/sentiment and will do more to protect against downside in the future by reducing exposure to equities when my experience and indicators say things are pretty hot.
I think this is the key - combine the best of what you know with the best parts of the different services you follow. Throw out the rest.

Of course, not always clear which is "the best" of what you know, and "the best" of what other financial services provide.

I keep a fairly detailed TIJ (Trading Investing Journal), and this includes excerpts of all the TIT predictions over the last few years. It wasn't that long ago that one of the TIT predictions was that there would be a huge rally in Q4, _instead_ of a massacre.

And the one mentioned by others here was also predicted - a small correction in Q1, followed by a bigger one in Q3/4 - but then when the "big" crash occurred in Q1, the Q3/4 big one was "combined" with the Q1 one, all of a sudden.

Then there were TIT mumbles during this time that there could be a Q4 Massacre, but only if there was a huge rally into Q4, etc.

So, all sorts of predictions. :lol:

It's kind of like me saying, hmmm, it looks like it's going to be sunny tomorrow. A few hours later, I notice a few clouds, so I say, "oh wait ... it's going to rain tomorrow."

Then the clouds thin out a bit, then I say, "wait, it's going to rain a _little_ bit, then it'll get sunny."

So the next day, I wake up, and it's kind of, well, sunny! So I pick the original prediction, put it in highlights, and say, "you fools, I told ya so! I am a Level 4 human, mofos!"

Future's unpredictable - you won't profit by following a prophet.

There is one thing Sol said here or in the AITT forum, a long time ago, partially in jest, when he was still in NYC and still had ready access to his SecondSight, which I think will prove to be true, over the years ahead (I am paraphrasing):

"Who knows, maybe the forums will end up being the best part of the TIT services ..."

I have complete faith in the last prediction ... :lol:
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Looks like I need to set my DVR for Crammer!
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Yodean wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:34 pm
MarkD wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 7:36 pm I now see the benefit of merging TIT with some of my former TA/sentiment and will do more to protect against downside in the future by reducing exposure to equities when my experience and indicators say things are pretty hot.
I think this is the key - combine the best of what you know with the best parts of the different services you follow. Throw out the rest.

Of course, not always clear which is "the best" of what you know, and "the best" of what other financial services provide.

I keep a fairly detailed TIJ (Trading Investing Journal), and this includes excerpts of all the TIT predictions over the last few years. It wasn't that long ago that one of the TIT predictions was that there would be a huge rally in Q4, _instead_ of a massacre.

And the one mentioned by others here was also predicted - a small correction in Q1, followed by a bigger one in Q3/4 - but then when the "big" crash occurred in Q1, the Q3/4 big one was "combined" with the Q1 one, all of a sudden.

Then there were TIT mumbles during this time that there could be a Q4 Massacre, but only if there was a huge rally into Q4, etc.

So, all sorts of predictions. :lol:

It's kind of like me saying, hmmm, it looks like it's going to be sunny tomorrow. A few hours later, I notice a few clouds, so I say, "oh wait ... it's going to rain tomorrow."

Then the clouds thin out a bit, then I say, "wait, it's going to rain a _little_ bit, then it'll get sunny."

So the next day, I wake up, and it's kind of, well, sunny! So I pick the original prediction, put it in highlights, and say, "you fools, I told ya so! I am a Level 4 human, mofos!"

Future's unpredictable - you won't profit by following a prophet.

There is one thing Sol said here or in the AITT forum, a long time ago, partially in jest, when he was still in NYC and still had ready access to his SecondSight, which I think will prove to be true, over the years ahead (I am paraphrasing):

"Who knows, maybe the forums will end up being the best part of the TIT services ..."

I have complete faith in the last prediction ... :lol:


I don't think Sol has ever called himself a prophet or even hinted at being one; i am not inferring that you stated this, just making an observation. His predictions over the years are downright incredible. You are kind of nitpicking regarding your findings; i mean they focus on a very specific time frame. Investing is about the long haul, and over the long run TIs record is phenomenal. Just ask STEFK who has been with them for awhile. I think on Palladium alone he made close to 1000%.

IMHO you are expecting way too much. You stated you made 100plus K from options trading. If I am not mistaken, it was SOL that made you aware of selling puts and calls, so in a few months you have already made more than you would pay for a lifetime of services. Not to mention the health benefits you have reaped. You don't seem to mention the benefits you have reaped from this service. Perhaps my observation is wrong. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.

Regarding your take on TIT changes on future outcomes, remember we are talking about markets and not how to make buttered toast. Erratic emotions drive the markets. The most crucial factor is that when Sol and the team change direction, they don't do it suddenly. You don't have to flee or change course rapidly. They provide a clear exit path.

I have never felt rushed to close a position, and there has always been time to adjust to these changes. That is one of the key features I like/love about this service. They don't panic; they don't trigger a stressful reaction from their subscribers. The exit path is laid out clearly, and they speak of changes at least weeks in advance. I would focus on these factors.

And most importantly, for all new investors, if you are in the markets, combine what Sol offers with what you master over time. He says something to this effect in the welcome material. Paraphrasing him, he states that we should modify the system and the methodology to suit our needs. As standalone service, they are hands above the rest.

Would I have liked them to have provided more data regarding the correction? You are damn right I would, but I would also like Sol to determine what type of investor I am and then come out with specific profit targets for me . You see where I am going. We all wish for things that, for the most part, are a bit irrational. On the bright side, he has made additional changes via the Market Status Chart. If one is not careful one would soon expect someone to wipe one's ass after purchasing a pack of toilet paper :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Here is my strategy. When the markets are trading in the overbought ranges on the monthly charts. I start to pay more attention to TA (I use a range of indicators, as relying on one or two is asking for trouble) then I start taking profits. So if I am 100% invested, I will drop to 70 or 80 per cent and then determine profit and loss targets. Based on my indicators, bullish sentiment is above 45 per cent if the markets are trading in highly overbought ranges. I will drop my long position to 50% and be on standby to move down to 30%. I take the opposite approach when the markets are in trading in the highly oversold zones.

Astuteshift puts it the best, you have to adapt or die, and for a millennial, he is a remarkably astute investor



https://youtu.be/nDNzHZn9j8s
"Who knows, maybe the forums will end up being the best part of the TIT services "
On this part I kind of agree. It is a already an incredible asset but then again it is all due to Sol and his foresight. He created an oasis that for the most part is free. I have not seen one post censored yet. If I am wrong please correct me.

To end this is not an attack on anyone. They are hard hitting simple observations that I suspect Astute will appreciate. Astute what's your take on this discussion/topic

I will end with some words of wisdom from Charlie Munger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_uB9bdzF0g
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A couple of great videos there Tobeornot and some wise words.

I think Yodean does appreciate TIT but bringing a sober reality from his perspective.

I have been taking a back seat and trying to digest what is being said. I am coming to the conclusion and understanding that TI is there to offer guidance and recommendations but money and risk management has to be tailored by the individual. I think it's an invaluable service but you must understand what it can and can't do for you.

TI updates are recommending selling a lot of shares when the Nasdaq hits certain levels, I have chosen to start selling a bit earlier as the markets look overbought on a daily basis, but my decision is still based on TI advice that the markets should pull back soon. This is just an example of tailoring the service to one's own investment style. Also helps if you have other resources to pull on apart from TI including one's own accumulated experience.
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bpcw wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:23 pm A couple of great videos there Tobeornot and some wise words.

I think Yodean does appreciate TIT but bringing a sober reality from his perspective.

I have been taking a back seat and trying to digest what is being said. I am coming to the conclusion and understanding that TI is there to offer guidance and recommendations but money and risk management has to be tailored by the individual. I think it's an invaluable service but you must understand what it can and can't do for you.

TI updates are recommending selling a lot of shares when the Nasdaq hits certain levels, I have chosen to start selling a bit earlier as the markets look overbought on a daily basis, but my decision is still based on TI advice that the markets should pull back soon. This is just an example of tailoring the service to one's own investment style. Also helps if you have other resources to pull on apart from TI including one's own accumulated experience.
Some sage words my dear friend. Could not agree with you more. If we expect everything to be done for us, then when that person is not there its game over. In such volatile and crazy times we have to be a bit more proactive. but it is heartening to see that SOL and his team are making the necessary adjustments. In Sol's words they are being proactive and not reactive lol
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I will chime in later as I have to catch up this play lol. However, overall I a more than satisfied with the service. It compliments my trading style. I have my own set of Fundamental, technical and sentiment indicators, when both are in agreement its game on
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The service is definitely geared toward expanding an investors mentality and skill set, however I disagree on relying on the service to do everything for us. Hear me out...

Say Sol and team could generate 100% predictions in the market and become prophet level over the next 5 years. Could we not all agree it would be utterly stupid not to follow and reap the rewards, and if we can agree on that then it would be inevitable that there will always be those that just want the fishy and not to learn. The question then becomes why do these people exist and why learn?

Now we know that the above scenario is impossible, but that does not take away from the argument. Looking back into the dark ages of civilization, there have always been those (barbarians) that just want the fishy for it is far easier to kill and steal than to farm a successful crop, which answers the 1st part of the question. So why learn, well civilization and people in generally do better when they learn how to cultivate and grow for themselves.

Sounds easy right, just learn!? But sadly it's not, for I do not believe we are all made equally, regardless of what society tries to tell us. Therefor one cannot blame the barbarian, b/c if someone has a skill that you do not and there is reasonable difficulty at learning the skill set then why not benefit from pillaging as much as possible. There are and will always be those that are distinctly more apt than others, so if Sol and team can produce 100% heck 60% success then I am more than happy to reap the rewards as well :twisted:.

I enjoy the service and these forums both for learning and taking a break from looking up stocks and option plays, after all it is easy to go mad watching numbers go up and down.
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Let me know if anyone finds this to be of value. I won't identify the data source for the time being.....

https://imgur.com/RatLHAA
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MarkD wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:13 pm Let me know if anyone finds this to be of value. I won't identify the data source for the time being.....
I find anything different that offers a remote chance of learning something new as interesting :). Looking at the picture quickly, i see a nice pattern emerging. Looks like daily bars?
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And a companion chart I created to the first. I only began working on this over the past six months and have not updated for a while but the data confirms it's consistent with the first chart.

https://imgur.com/RZ4RwA2
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I found this old text years ago and just rediscovered it this spring. Three techniques, stocks, gold and bonds, using mutual funds (your Daddy's ETFs).

https://imgur.com/fhANhB9

Had never really paid much attention to the gold/bond sections, and the stock market section was just ok. TYPICALLY, bonds lead stocks, stocks lead commodities, and commodities lead bonds when topping and bottoming.

The book identified a strategy for bonds to use a simple 25ma on the daily DJ 20 Corporate bond index and the A/D for all corporate issues. Crosses on both were buys and sells. This seemed reasonable but I don't really trade bonds, yet. TLT/AGG/BND, yes, but that's pretty much all I have used.

Neither data set is current as the text is 1987 (an October to remember). For the bond index I have utilized the Dow Jones Corporate Bond Index ($DJCB) and for A/D I have been manually copying the data from FINRA for all corporates (investment grade, junk and convertible). It's free of charge at

https://finra-markets.morningstar.com/B ... eStats.jsp

I cannot state this has been effective over a full cycle but I feel it can be used as a leading indicator for stocks. Corporate bonds rarely are sold off strongly as shown in the current positioning on the LT chart. Monthly o/h resistance at the 5 ma Monthly is interesting as it mirrors Sol's perspective the markets may have yet one more nice sized dip remaining. And bonds move slower than stocks except at the turns in interest rates.

That's all I see in this presentation.
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PuppBaby wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:02 pm
I enjoy the service and these forums both for learning and taking a break from looking up stocks and option plays, after all it is easy to go mad watching numbers go up and down.
Boy, you have a way with words and provide a compelling story supporting the barbarians :lol: However, I found the last quote to be the most interesting as I fully agree with your take. This forum is a fantastic place to learn new things and take a break from looking at prices and charts. What makes this forum great is the wide array of intelligent and highly open-minded individuals that populate it. In other words, without you the subscriber, this forum would be a graveyard. We provided the medium or the Soil; you guys provide the seeds. It takes one to cry, two to tango and three to have a bloody party :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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MarkD wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 7:27 pm
I cannot state this has been effective over a full cycle but I feel it can be used as a leading indicator for stocks. Corporate bonds rarely are sold off strongly as shown in the current positioning on the LT chart. Monthly o/h resistance at the 5 ma Monthly is interesting as it mirrors Sol's perspective the markets may have yet one more nice sized dip remaining. And bonds move slower than stocks except at the turns in interest rates.

That's all I see in this presentation.
What makes things so complex is all the worthy honourable gentlemen leading the nations of the world. They seem hell-bent on visiting the latrine of ultimate pain. This Geopolitical uncertainty is what is tainting the whole picture and could make what would or should have been an orderly correction ( a retest of the lows) into a disorderly and deadly one. The first quarter correction was disorderly because of these factors; mainly the draconian and unexpected sanctions imposed on Russia that opened the floodgates of hell.

We do live in interesting times, but the people populating the centres of power are the most boorish and dull minded individuals this world has seen in over 200 years.
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Tobeornot wrote: Wed Aug 17, 2022 5:46 am I don't think Sol has ever called himself a prophet or even hinted at being one; i am not inferring that you stated this, just making an observation. His predictions over the years are downright incredible. You are kind of nitpicking regarding your findings; i mean they focus on a very specific time frame. Investing is about the long haul, and over the long run TIs record is phenomenal.

IMHO you are expecting way too much. You stated you made 100plus K from options trading. If I am not mistaken, it was SOL that made you aware of selling puts and calls, so in a few months you have already made more than you would pay for a lifetime of services. Not to mention the health benefits you have reaped. You don't seem to mention the benefits you have reaped from this service. Perhaps my observation is wrong. If I am wrong I apologize in advance.
1) The challenge is that for the last several months, there has been a consistent trickle of PMs to my inbox here and on AITT, as well as to my personal email address for those who have it, from fellow subs wanting my opinion about the TIT's services and opinions, etc.

Some aren't always comfortable making their opinions and questions known publicly.

A few subs just PM or email me to say goodbye (i.e. they are not renewing their TIT subscriptions) and thank me for various things I have said or done, etc., as well as to potentially establish communication channels for further discussions or meetings in the future, offline.

So my last post was more to bring and summarize their concerns a bit and let the discussion flow as it does.

My comments may be disregarded or implemented in some fashion to improve the TIT's services, as the TIT sees fit.

2) I've been investing/trading since 2004, and am always happy to learn new things, both in and out of the markets. So I do know the limits of financial forecasting. Just in the last six months alone, I've had several seven-figure swings in my portfolio in both directions, and this isn't the first time that this has happened, so I am no stranger to volatility.

Sol has been very clear that there are no guarantees when it comes to the markets, and that he considers himself an advanced student at best, not a guru. All good.

The challenge, I think, is that saying this is fine on paper, but when one speaks and acts with a high degree of certainty, the aforementioned message may get lost.

So beginning investors may not really "hear" the part about the limits of financial forecasting, and just assume all the TIT's predictions are going to come to fruition, and all their various sentiment indices are going to be "right."

It's unfortunate that optics do matter in this business.

3) Indeed, I have benefitted a lot from the TIT subscriptions and particularly the forums. Lots of benefits in terms of learning about non-financial matters, including philosophy, geopolitics, health, etc. And last but not least, very entertaining, and fun. Those last two factors are quite important to me personally.

However, a lot of subs just want the financial stuff from TIT, which is what they are paying for, predominantly. All the other stuff is just gravy, or icing on the cake.

So when they ask me what the TIT's long-term record is in terms of P/L, and how this is calculated, I have to tell them I don't know, since I apply the TIT recommendations in different ways than most. Also there is no formal tracking of TIT results, long-term, in the various portfolios.

In truth, throughout both the good times and bad times in the last several years, my overall official TIT portfolio is quite small in relative terms compared to my non-TIT portfolio, but I apply a lot of TIT tactics and methodology to my non-TIT portfolio, which on balance has been a strong way of using the TIT stuff. I suspect based on your posts you kind of do that as well.

Also, from a business perspective, I think it's important for the TIT to officially track results for the different portfolios over a period of time, and make this process more transparent for potential subs to assess and critique. I think many moons ago this issue was brought up by a number of subs, if memory serves.

It's not really enough to ask a few subs to track their TIT results, imo.

This is a small example: the TIT tracks fill prices that subs email to them. But there is significant selection bias here - those who fill at the higher range of the recommended prices may feel mildly embarassed, and not email the results in, while those who get a really "good" fill are more likely to email their fills in. Stuff like that. Also, many just can't be bothered to email a bunch of results in, since many subs are using financial subscriptions from other services, so emailing results in may be just too onerous.

One possible solution is to take the midpoint of the entry and exit ranges recommended, and use that to calculate the P/L of TIT trades. So something like the stock has to trade throughout the entire range to be officially tabulated, and the mid-point will be deemed the "official" entry point.

On one hand this creates more work for the TIT, but it also reduces the work of tracking sub fill emails, and even if no sub fills, it can be used as data for calculating and publishing the P/L of official TIT plays.

3) Most financial subscription services tend to do fairly well, as a group, during bull markets. The true test is during bear markets, as experienced traders know. Everyone's a genius in a bull market, as the saying goes. Bear markets are when the anti-fragility of a certain trading methodology is truly tested.

So all my suggestions are made publicly to potentially improve the TIT's services, and encourage others to speak up when appropriate.
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