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Centeron631 wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:54 pm LoriPrecisely wrote " I now understand how to buy to close, also."

LoriPrecisely i must admit i have not mastered that yet and not sure i understand completely ... maybe U can explain and i take it that this is in reference to the cash sell puts, and the covered calls. First i am not sure how to read the existing positions in the portfolio - ie what do i look for in gains/loss or other to determine if the buy to close is appropriate or beckoning? and also if it has something re cash put sells as to whether or not one wants to own or not own at the strike price???/ Also did u end up being assigned on the Assan 22.50 as it is the 18's this AM?

You mention u own 7 put and 3 calls - r those the writes or just those u bought on the market? thks
I use Schwab Street Smart Edge, if you use a different platform, it may be different. There are two places I look to determine the remaining value left on my options.
1. In my account tab, under Positions tab, I can select whatever information I want to be visible. I selected Cost for one column, and P & L for the other, among many others. I put these two next to each other because Cost shows the premium I sold the Put or Call for, and the P & L (profit and loss) shows the value of the option I have earned so far.

2. In my trade ticket window, which I have open all the time, I select Option Chains. Then I select either Put or Call, not both, because I don't want to make a mistake and sell a Call when I want to sell a Put. Almost did that once. Next to the Option dollar amount that I purchased, under the expiration date which I purchased it for, there is a small button, which, when I click it, shows what I sold that Option for and what I have earned for it so far. Then, I just do the math to see what it would cost me to close it.

Or, looking at the Options chain, I can see what that Option is worth today, then I know what it will cost me to close it. Sol, mentioned closing at approximately 30% profit, and there are many factors that influence this decision, such as current market price, price to close and time left. I have followed his advice to only sell Puts on stocks you won't mind owning.

I understand now that you can make money just trading options without even owning the stock. So, I am having fun doing that right now. I do own many stocks, and I don't mind owning more Asana, but I am taking this time to practice opening and closing, and paying attention to how the premium is influenced by the stock price. And, how Sol said, Sell Puts on Down days and Sell Calls on Up days. It really does affect the premium a lot.

And, also how the premium ultimately reduces your overall cost basis if you do have to buy the stock. For example, I am looking at an August 19 expiry for a Put for $20. strike price, the premium is 4.45. So, if that option got put to my account, my cost per share is only 15.55. The $20 strike is above the current market price, but that option does not expire for 2 months. A lot can happen by then.

It is rare for an option to be exercised before expiry. I am just now learning about this and trying to understand it better, but it is because the Buyer of the Put had to pay a premium for his side of the contract, so because of the time value of his option and the difference between the premium he paid and the market price, he may not exercise. Like I said, I am just beginning to understand this part of it, so maybe someone else can contribute here.

I have only sold Puts and Calls so far. When I say I Buy to Close a Put or Call, it is like closing the contract I had opened when I Sold to Open a Put. I have not bought to Open any options....yet.

It is important to choose, and get familiar with your trading platform. Some of the brokers I have talked to at Schwab prefer trading on the web platform, and others prefer the downloadable platform. I definitely prefer Street Smart Edge. I downloaded it unto my desktop. I have seen Interactive Brokers platform displayed on a YT video, and it is a lot different than the Schwab platform. I encourage you to get familiar and comfortable with your platform, and if you have any more questions, or if there is something I did not answer completely, don't hesitate to ask. :)

Another thing I have done that I have found really helpful is, copy the conversations in the forum that are interesting to you, and paste them into a Word document. Then, you can easily look at them when you are working on your platform and have a question.
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Lori covered that question really well on closing a put position.

When selling an option. On a call you are selling it because you want to earn extra cash. You are selling a put because you want to get paid for putting in a limit order or you want to lower you entry price as much as possible by jumping in and out of the trade. Puts are only sell on stocks you don't mind owning. One other thing always sell cash secured puts. Do not apply for higher option clearance that allows you to sell puts on margin, that is very dangerous as you might be tempted to sell more options than you can afford to cover if the shares are put to you.

Instructions for selling a put

Sell to open (choose strike price and month), then select premium you want. Always use the limit order option

Sell to open ABC Aug 20, 2022 Put at 2.25. When its time to close this trade you will enter the following buy to close ABC Aug 20, 2022 put at 1.50.


Instructions for selling a covered call

Sell to open ABC Aug 25 call at 1.80. When its time to close you would enter this
Buy to close ABC Aug 25 call at 1.20

In generally when selling options you want to sell high and buy back at a lower price. Sell puts on down days and calls on up days.

Never sell puts on stocks you don't want to own
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SOL wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:34 pm One other thing always sell cash secured puts. Do not apply for higher option clearance that allows you to sell puts on margin, that is very dangerous as you might be tempted to sell more options than you can afford to cover if the shares are put to you.
I just applied for Level 2 with margin capabilities today. OOP's :roll:
I just want one more Put option for ASAN. :lol:
The premiums are soooo high right now.
If I select the strike price of $20, the premium is 4.45.
If I get assigned, that makes the stock price 15.55 per share.
This is per last night's research.
I haven't done any trading today.
I have considered what I will do if assigned.
I will have to roll out, or buy to close this position or one of my other positions.
Or, Sell to Open some Calls when the market moves upward....and pay the margin interest. I already calculated what it would be for a month, if I only do it for one $20 Put on ASAN, $15 month.
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LoriPrecisely wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:30 pm
SOL wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 4:34 pm One other thing always sell cash secured puts. Do not apply for higher option clearance that allows you to sell puts on margin, that is very dangerous as you might be tempted to sell more options than you can afford to cover if the shares are put to you.
I just applied for Level 2 with margin capabilities today. OOP's :roll:
I just want one more Put option for ASAN. :lol:
The premiums are soooo high right now.
If I select the strike price of $20, the premium is 4.45.
If I get assigned, that makes the stock price 15.55 per share.
This is per last night's research.
I haven't done any trading today.
I have considered what I will do if assigned.
I will have to roll out, or buy to close this position or one of my other positions.
Or, Sell to Open some Calls when the market moves upward....and pay the margin interest. I already calculated what it would be for a month, if I only do it for one $20 Put on ASAN, $15 month.
Having margin is fine if you are disciplined. If you use margin restrict it to stock purchases and make sure that you have a backup plan to fund the account if you get a margin call.

For selling puts one could potentially use margin if all these conditions are met

1) You are Highly disciplined with advanced understanding of selling puts and calls
2) Only if you have a backup plan to fund the account if you get a margin call.
3) no matter what you do, don't use 100% of the margin
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SOL wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:40 pm 3) no matter what you do, don't use 100% of the margin
Yeh, took me a little while to figure out some of the margin stuff on the fly. My brokerage restricts the selling of naked puts (selling puts on margin) to a set amount - less than the total margin limit for a particular account. For a few days recently I couldn't figure out why my orders to sell puts kept getting rejected, as my buying power still looked sufficient.
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Yodean wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:44 pm
SOL wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:40 pm 3) no matter what you do, don't use 100% of the margin
Yeh, took me a little while to figure out some of the margin stuff on the fly. My brokerage restricts the selling of naked puts (selling puts on margin) to a set amount - less than the total margin limit for a particular account. For a few days recently I couldn't figure out why my orders to sell puts kept getting rejected, as my buying power still looked sufficient.
Yeh, the broker at Schwab told me today that they want you to put up 50% cash to their 50% margin for naked puts.
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LoriPrecisely wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:50 pm Yeh, the broker at Schwab told me today that they want you to put up 50% cash to their 50% margin for naked puts.
RBC has a flat $500k CDN (roughly $386k USD) limit on how much of your overall margin room may be applied to selling naked puts.

I really should read the fine print more before diving in ...

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Here's an option play I entered on HIMX:

Yesterday, I sold the JAN 2023 7 PUT for $1.20 (I then entered a GTC order to buy-to-close at $0.60 to secure profits)
With the premium, today I bought the JAN 2023 11 CALL for $0.30 (GTC order to sell-to-close at $0.60)
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nicolas wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:40 pm Here's an option play I entered on HIMX:

Yesterday, I sold the JAN 2023 7 PUT for $1.20 (I then entered a GTC order to buy-to-close at $0.60 to secure profits)
With the premium, today I bought the JAN 2023 11 CALL for $0.30 (GTC order to sell-to-close at $0.60)
Congrats on a great trade. Niclas, :geek: :geek: :geek: you should post more often. I find all of your posts interesting. it appears you might be a lot smarter than I, lol. For the record, that is the best way to play sell puts on down days, and when they are showing profits buy to close, do the same with covered calls; sell them on up days and buy to close when they are showing a gain. Then use some of the money to gamble as its free money, rinse and repeat.
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This is the entry in the latest MU:

SLV Jan 2024 18.000 call
Deploy ¼ in the 15.50 to 16.50 ranges

The Call is currently priced at $4.95.

Am I missing something?
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LoriPrecisely wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:08 pm This is the entry in the latest MU:

SLV Jan 2024 18.000 call
Deploy ¼ in the 15.50 to 16.50 ranges

The Call is currently priced at $4.95.

Am I missing something?
Deploy one lot into that option when SLV trades In the 15.60 to 16.50 ranges
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SOL wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:14 pm
LoriPrecisely wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:08 pm This is the entry in the latest MU:

SLV Jan 2024 18.000 call
Deploy ¼ in the 15.50 to 16.50 ranges

The Call is currently priced at $4.95.

Am I missing something?
Deploy one lot into that option when SLV trades In the 15.60 to 16.50 ranges
Hasn't been that low in 2 years.
Today's price is currently 19.96.
I will be watching this one.
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Does that mean VALE Call is a Buy today?

Stock is trading at 14.93 today.
Midpoint premium is 3.25.

VALE Jan 2024 13.000 Call
Deploy ¼ of your funds into these calls when the stock trades in the 15.50 to 16.50 ranges. If it trades to 18.20 before you get in, this trade will no longer be valid.

I bought it.
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LoriPrecisely wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:39 pm Does that mean VALE Call is a Buy today?

Stock is trading at 14.93 today.
Midpoint premium is 3.25.

VALE Jan 2024 13.000 Call
Deploy ¼ of your funds into these calls when the stock trades in the 15.50 to 16.50 ranges. If it trades to 18.20 before you get in, this trade will no longer be valid.

I bought it.
That was a buy signal. Remember to report the price you paid to [email protected].
LoriPrecisely wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:26 pm Hasn't been that low in 2 years.
Today's price is currently 19.96.
I will be watching this one.
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Eric wrote: Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:11 pm
LoriPrecisely wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:39 pm Does that mean VALE Call is a Buy today?

Stock is trading at 14.93 today.
Midpoint premium is 3.25.

VALE Jan 2024 13.000 Call
Deploy ¼ of your funds into these calls when the stock trades in the 15.50 to 16.50 ranges. If it trades to 18.20 before you get in, this trade will no longer be valid.

I bought it.
That was a buy signal. Remember to report the price you paid to [email protected].
LoriPrecisely wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:26 pm Hasn't been that low in 2 years.
Today's price is currently 19.96.
I will be watching this one.
Negotiation tactic: When meeting in the middle, tell the other party you are miles further away than you actually are and make them come to you.
Years ago I wanted a $7/hr raise and felt that was probably pretty fair. Knowing that my boss HAS to negotiate EVERYTHING, I asked for a $12/hr raise and accepted his counter-offer of a $10/hr raise. He felt like he won because he talked me down 17%.
Brilliant you would do well in Asia, where everything is about negotiating.
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