Experience with covid vaccine

[Centeron631]

a friend of mine told me that one can get a street person looking somewhat similar to self for about $100ish with sufficient of ur ID (supposedly u would be watching him/her) to go into a facility and get the shot for self - therefor the proof of vaccination record meaning nothing for such subset that want to travel without having been vaccinated. How frequent this happens i do not know.

[Yodean]

Denmark will bar almost everyone under 50 from receiving more mRNA Covid jabs, the Danish Health Authority said yesterday.

Denmark had already ended Covid shots for nearly everyone under 18. The new rules go much further.

Danes under 50 will only be allowed to receive the shots if they are “higher risk of becoming severely [emphasis added] from Covid-19.”

Denmark did not explicitly say the risks of mRNA jabs now outweigh their benefits for healthy people under 50.

But that view is implicit in the announcement, which does not merely discourage but actually bans shots for those people, even though Denmark expects “a large wave of [Covid] infection” in the next few months.

In other words, the health authority is not stopping shots because Covid has ended. It now believes most people are better off getting the coronavirus than taking more mRNA.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/den ... r-981?s=09

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Better late than never, I suppose.

[SOL]

Denmark will bar almost everyone under 50 from receiving more mRNA Covid jabs, the Danish Health Authority said yesterday.

Denmark had already ended Covid shots for nearly everyone under 18. The new rules go much further.

Danes under 50 will only be allowed to receive the shots if they are “higher risk of becoming severely [emphasis added] from Covid-19.”

Denmark did not explicitly say the risks of mRNA jabs now outweigh their benefits for healthy people under 50.

But that view is implicit in the announcement, which does not merely discourage but actually bans shots for those people, even though Denmark expects “a large wave of [Covid] infection” in the next few months.

In other words, the health authority is not stopping shots because Covid has ended. It now believes most people are better off getting the coronavirus than taking more mRNA.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/den ... r-981?s=09

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Better late than never, I suppose.

Perhaps this might gather momentum and spread to other places, but I think most individuals in industrialized nations have been vaxxed. So for the big guys, it's mission accomplished. In the end, they allow wins/spoils, albeit usually small ones, but only after they have taken the lion's share of the kill.

This applies everywhere now. One's life is worth nothing, as corporations control most of the assets (at least in industrialized countries). It all comes down to Dollars; the cents are crumbs they allow us, peasants, to fight over.

As we stated, since forever QE was launched, humanity's woes will increase as the money supply increases. Wars will be started for no reason ranging from hot ones between nations to colder ones between the government and their citizens. They don't even need to lay waste to so many people, but the power they have is exhilarating in a corrupt way (well, one could argue we are all corrupt; it is impossible to state that many of us would not follow the same path if such massive sums of money are stake) and worse it is addictive; they just want more and more. The more powerful they become, the weaker the overall opposition becomes, for 90% of people are followers.

Things are good during good times because 90% just follow the others in accepting the good time trend. Have you noticed how things move from good to bad without any massive resistance? Once again, this is because the majority are asleep, and they sleepwalk in the direction of the trend, whether it's good or bad. The trend has now turned negative, and the masses are sleepwalking in that direction. In good times, only 10% fall into the bad category, and in bad times, only 10% fall into the good or defenders of freedom category. It's the big players that control the chessboard and players. The rest are just fighting a losing battle; they might slow down the trend a bit, but they can't stop it. History is replete with examples. It's sad but true.

https://youtu.be/wFKBN3MGUGI

[bpcw]

This may have already been answered:

There are lots of reports that the unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital due to covid, do we have anything to counter this? Just to add that these reports go back mainly to the beginning of the year.

[Yodean]

This may have already been answered:

There are lots of reports that the unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital due to covid, do we have anything to counter this? Just to add that these reports go back mainly to the beginning of the year.

In short, untrue. But I think Eric may want to provide a more detailed answer.

[bpcw]

This may have already been answered:

There are lots of reports that the unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital due to covid, do we have anything to counter this? Just to add that these reports go back mainly to the beginning of the year.

In short, untrue. But I think Eric may want to provide a more detailed answer.

Thanks,

From the report below for example, this is a standout claim snd although I have looked intensely it seems hard to find a counter argument doing a general websearch on 'unvaccinated hospital rates'.

Further analysis by the agency has concluded that unvaccinated adults are as much as eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than those who have been vaccinated and that booster doses are 88% effective at preventing hospital admission.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

[bpcw]

Just seen the video you posted Sol, 'let the bodies hit the floor'!

Bit unexpected that one!

[Do-or-Die]

This may have already been answered:

There are lots of reports that the unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital due to covid, do we have anything to counter this? Just to add that these reports go back mainly to the beginning of the year.

In short, untrue. But I think Eric may want to provide a more detailed answer.

Thanks,

From the report below for example, this is a standout claim snd although I have looked intensely it seems hard to find a counter argument doing a general websearch on 'unvaccinated hospital rates'.

Further analysis by the agency has concluded that unvaccinated adults are as much as eight times more likely to be admitted to hospital than those who have been vaccinated and that booster doses are 88% effective at preventing hospital admission.

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

This might help provide some insights. if the vaccine is not doing more than its supposed to be doing, especially if its not the good stuff why take it. I might be biased as I consider COVID to be nothing more than potentially a stronger version of the flu and that depends on the version and this off course depends on your health. As I am in generally decent shape I don't worry about it too much. The new variants are quite mild.


A new pre-print study by nine health experts from major universities showed that the COVID-19 vaccines are 98 times worse than the virus, and mandatory booster vaccination in college is “ethically unjustifiable,” as reported by Epoch Times.

The study was posted on The Social Science Research Network (SSRN) in September, titled, “COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters for Young Adults: A Risk-Benefit Assessment and Five Ethical Arguments against Mandates at Universities.“

It was conducted by nine top scientists from the University of Washington, University of Oxford, University of Toronto, Harvard University – Harvard Medical School, University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), Johns Hopkins University – Department of Surgery, and others.

Using CDC and sponsor-reported adverse event data, researchers conclude that booster regulations may result in more harm than good.

According to the study, for every one COVID hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, “18 to 98 actual serious adverse events” have been caused.

“Per COVID-19 hospitalization prevented in previously uninfected young adults, we anticipate 18 to 98 serious adverse events, including 1.7 to 3.0 booster-associated myocarditis cases in males, and 1,373 to 3,234 cases of grade ≥3 reactogenicity which interferes with daily activities,” the study stated.

University booster mandates were deemed unethical by the researchers for the following reasons:

no formal risk-benefit assessment exists for this age group;

vaccine mandates may result in a net expected harm to individual young people;

mandates are not proportionate: expected harms are not outweighed by public health benefits given the modest and transient effectiveness of vaccines against transmission;

US mandates violate the reciprocity principle because rare serious vaccine-related harms will not be reliably compensated due to gaps in current vaccine injury schemes; and

mandates create wider social harms. We consider counter-arguments such as a desire for socialization and safety and show that such arguments lack scientific and/or ethical support.



https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substa ... scientists


It's so easy to win a debate with an ignorant liberal. They have no facts. They have no brilliant oratory. Just name-calling. After my national TV interviews last week explaining why I believe the COVID-19 vaccine is killing and injuring thousands of Americans, I received an email from an intensive care unit doctor. He called me a "moron." Below is my reply filled with common sense, logic, facts and most importantly, SCIENCE about the dangers of the COVID-19 vaccine. Needless to say, the doctor never replied.

Dear David,

First, I read and answer all my own emails. I'm answering you personally. I don't engage in ignorant terms like "moron" toward people that disagree with me.

Second, this country (and world) is filled with both unvaccinated and vaccinated who are sick with COVID-19. It's a nasty and contagious flu. At this moment almost every vaccinated person I know is sick with COVID-19. A report released by the Robert Koch Institute stated that in Germany over 96% of those with COVID-19 are vaccinated.

Third, some studies show that the COVID-19 vaccine damages the immune system, thereby making it more likely that the vaccinated will get sick with each successive variant.

Fourth, if the vaccine is so great, why do the deep blue states like New York have massive COVID-19 outbreaks? New York City just set the all-time record for COVID-19 infections in a day. New York right now has almost 30% of all the COVID-19 cases nationwide. How could this happen if vaccines, masks and lockdowns worked?


Fifth, if the vaccine is so great, why are there far more COVID-19 deaths in 2021 with the vaccine than there were in 2020 -- without it?

Sixth, as a M.D., why don't you pay attention to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System? It's been the gold standard for decades to identify if any vaccine is causing more harm than good.

This COVID-19 jab may have killed over 21,000 Americans. That's separate from the cardiac arrests, strokes, blood clots and permanent disabilities that could be associated with the vaccine. And this jab has potentially caused a staggering 1 million "adverse effects." These numbers are from VAERS -- user-reported data compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Seventh, are you aware Columbia University researchers found that adverse events associated with vaccines could be vastly underreported? They suggest you must multiply by 20 to approximate the accurate number of deaths and injuries. So according to the math of Columbia researchers, there are actually over 400,000 deaths and millions of injuries that could be tied to the vaccine.

How could you doubt VAERS? Pfizer's own research showed that there were 1,200 deaths during the initial first few weeks of their vaccine rollout. That's Pfizer's reporting.

Anyone who wants the vaccine should get it. It's called choice. They should thank former President Donald Trump for the availability of this vaccine.

The rest of us who are relatively healthy and/or relatively young have a 99.9% recovery rate from COVID-19. No one should be FORCED to vaccinate, mask, endure lockdowns, lose their job or close their business in America. We have choices. We take risks every day.

Certainly, people should agree that no baby, toddler, child or teen should ever be forced to take this jab. As a John Hopkins study proved, the risk of a child dying is basically zero. Out of 48,000 childhood cases of COVID-19 they studied, no healthy child died.

I've had COVID-19. It was gone in 48 hours after I took ivermectin, plus antibiotic (Z Pak), plus megadoses of vitamins C, D3, zinc and quercetin. Plus, I received intravenous vitamin C. Worked like a charm. Gone in 48 hours. Mild.

I now have immunity. No one with immunity needs to vaccinate. I believe the risks far outweigh the benefits. I make healthy lifestyle choices. I'm not anti-vaccine. I'm pro-immune system.

Justus R. Hope, M.D., and others report that in India, the government ended the worst COVID-19 outbreak anywhere in the world by handing out free packets of ivermectin plus vitamins. They report that COVID-19 went away literally overnight, and deaths dropped to virtually zero. That's exactly what America should have done and should be doing right now.

There are dozens of studies around the world that demonstrate the efficacy of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as antivirals versus COVID-19.

I wish you well. I hope I've opened your eyes to the alternatives out there. I know what you see each day in your ICU: the sickest of the sick. It's tragic they have no access to ivermectin or HCQ, plus vitamins like C, D3 and zinc. Early treatment (in the first three to five days) with this combination would almost guarantee few ever wind up at the ICU -- where you see them and where it may already be too late.

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneal ... e-n2601582

[SOL]

This may have already been answered:

There are lots of reports that the unvaccinated are far more likely to end up in hospital due to covid, do we have anything to counter this? Just to add that these reports go back mainly to the beginning of the year.

I am not really into conspiracies. My main reason for being against the COVID vaccine is that I don't believe anyone should be forced to take something if they don't want to, regardless of whether it's good or bad. However, in this case, the COVID shots have proven to be well as useful as a shot of sterile water.

However, the data in this article is quite interesting. The article appears to be well researched and links are provided to back each assertion. Plus some of the statements are from top experts

https://www.brightworkresearch.com/how- ... -the-body/

[SOL]

Just seen the video you posted Sol, 'let the bodies hit the floor'!

Bit unexpected that one!

Yeah, the old boy still has it. He also caught me off guard, especially with his Jovial manner

[MarkD]

Call me skeptical of the MRNA vaxes (disclosure: I have one dose of JNJ), but it's clear to me there are likely issues with the PFE/MRNA products.

1. Multiple stroke victims amongst very healthy individuals, mostly over 70. The most recent, less than a week ago, a former member of the joint chiefs who is married to my cousin. He was lucky as a colleague noted his condition and got him to a hospital asap. He has recovered with zero issues, so far so good. As I noted before, wife and I know of seven MRNA jabs with a couple of deaths that resulted from strokes.

2. Daughter of close friend just had a child, born with aortic valve issues. Third child will require surgery at some future date. Did not take the vax initially last year when she was pregnant with second child. Father knows what I think of the MRNA products. He is a pharmacist, wife is a pharmacist, daughter and son also. Her husband got the jab last year. We do not know if she had the shot between birth of number two and conceiving number three.

[Yodean]

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

I took a quick look at the link. It's a bit outdated, for one (January 4, 2022). Also, the way the PCR tests are used to assess for cv19 are different for the jabbed vs. unjabbed (has to do with PCR cycles - more in the unjabbed, so they have a higher % of being labelled +ve). And as has been brought up before, a lot of unjabbed who are admitted to the hospital for other diagnoses (e.g. bone fracture, twisted ankle, other infections, but who happen to test +ve for cv19, are labelled as hospitalized due to cv19, etc.). There's a lot more to this, of course.

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Vaccine protection can be exaggerated (by vaccine promoters) or downplayed (by vaccine skeptics).

Typical methods to exaggerate vaccine protection are: 1) not counting infections shortly after vaccination (“vaccinated” vs. “injected”); 2) counting patients with missing vaccination data as “unvaccinated”; 3) using outdated population data to exaggerate infections and hospitalizations in the unvaccinated; 4) quoting peak protection without acknowledging the rapid decline.

Typical methods to downplay vaccine protection are: 1) Ignoring infection rates when comparing death rates; 2) confounding age groups; 3) comparing vaccinated to recovered people instead of unexposed people (“negative protection”); 4) not distinguishing between with/from covid (especially since omicron).

Vaccine skeptics have correctly pointed out that in addition to relative effectiveness, one should also consider absolute effectiveness, which strongly depends on age. For instance, a 90% relative effectiveness translates into an absolute reduction of pre-omicron covid lethality from 1% to 0.1% (i.e. –0.9%) in senior citizens (outside of nursing homes) and from 0.05% to 0.005% in 45-year-old people (i.e. –0.045%) (SPR).

https://swprs.org/how-effective-are-cov ... es-really/

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If you read through the above link and go through some of the graphs and references, you'll arrive at a more comprehensive view.

[symbios]

The vaccine that was supposed to prevent us from catching Covid somehow doesn’t prevent us from getting Covid. The narrative changed when people who were vaccinated caught covid. So now the narrative is the vaccine reduces the impact of Covid. So says the Singapore government backed up by the hospitalization statistics therefore it must be true. Until you look deeper and found the statistics to be tainted and one sided. If almost 90% of the population took the vaccine and the remaining couldn’t take it due to existing health issues, how is it fair to judge that mortality rate is higher for those who didn’t take it when they are the group that already has a much higher chance of dying with or without Covid… What I’m saying is that statistics in the case of Covid vaccine mean nothing except to spin a specific narrative.

[SOL]

The vaccine that was supposed to prevent us from catching Covid somehow doesn’t prevent us from getting Covid. The narrative changed when people who were vaccinated caught covid. So now the narrative is the vaccine reduces the impact of Covid. So says the Singapore government backed up by the hospitalization statistics therefore it must be true. Until you look deeper and found the statistics to be tainted and one sided. If almost 90% of the population took the vaccine and the remaining couldn’t take it due to existing health issues, how is it fair to judge that mortality rate is higher for those who didn’t take it when they are the group that already has a much higher chance of dying with or without Covid… What I’m saying is that statistics in the case of Covid vaccine mean nothing except to spin a specific narrative.

There are several books I forget the titles now. I think one is how to lie with statistics. In theory, a statistician can help provide the data for the liar to create whatever narrative he or she wants. My simple test when I am about to try something new is to find as many sources as possible that are somewhat unbiased. If the data looks decent, then I will self-experiment. With COVID the conclusion I arrived at was that it was not a big issue. This was confirmed after I got COVID the delta variant which was supposed to be one of the strongest ones and recovered quite quickly. Then when other individuals I know followed similar protocols I started to take notes.

Here is the deal, its all about money nothing else. What's the old saying? it's nothing personal it's just business. If they could find a way to sell distilled water for a profit, then they would have come up with COVID shots that contained nothing but water and maybe a bit of sugar. After the shot, they would have given you a gummy bear stating that it's the booster.

[Do-or-Die]

The vaccine that was supposed to prevent us from catching Covid somehow doesn’t prevent us from getting Covid. The narrative changed when people who were vaccinated caught covid. So now the narrative is the vaccine reduces the impact of Covid. So says the Singapore government backed up by the hospitalization statistics therefore it must be true. Until you look deeper and found the statistics to be tainted and one sided. If almost 90% of the population took the vaccine and the remaining couldn’t take it due to existing health issues, how is it fair to judge that mortality rate is higher for those who didn’t take it when they are the group that already has a much higher chance of dying with or without Covid… What I’m saying is that statistics in the case of Covid vaccine mean nothing except to spin a specific narrative.

Some more data indicating that the MRNA was pushed as the savior when in fact it was more like the Anti-Christ

Necessity is the mother of invention:" An adage was brought to life with the emergence of the mRNA vaccine against the backdrop of the foreboding and mercurial COVID-19 pandemic. Considering a negligible adverse-effect profile and a break-neck manufacturing speed, it shone bright as the ideal vaccine candidate. However, "all that glitters is not gold," as was evidenced by the significant reactogenicity, a host of multi-systemic side-effects, that are being reported by the vaccine recipients; which is palpably resulting in a shift of emotions for the vaccine, accounting for vaccine hesitancy. Anaphylaxis, antibody-dependent enhancements, and deaths, comprise the most serious side-effects, albeit occurring in sparing numbers. Storage and transportation require fastidious temperatures, rendering it substantially inaccessible to a country like India. The biggest jolt, however, was the unfolding of the biases in reporting vaccine efficacy, as only the attractively high numbers of the relatively equivocal relative risk reduction were reported while keeping at bay the meager numbers of the more forthright absolute risk reduction. Notwithstanding the fallacies, the mRNA vaccine still promises hope; and with the right precautions and finesse, can be potentiated, as "a watched pot never boils."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34908713/