West's duplicitous double standards: Russia War

[deepthinker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc

[SOL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEMmRsFlUxY

[Budge]

Pretty decent summary of the current history of the "Greatest Democracy the World Has Ever Known":

https://youtu.be/NbiuAfcpzQU

Am slowly working my way through this but had to rewind to the beginning where he covers the fall of the Berlin Wall. His contention is that promises were made not to extend NATO. The James Baker statement that "NATO will not move one inch further east” and the recently discovered secret memo in the British Archives from March 6, 1991, by one of the foreign political advisors: "we made it clear in the 2+2 negotiations that we would not expand NATO beyond the Elbe. We can therefore not offer NATO membership to Poland and the others."

I don't know if this is clarified much later in the presentation, but I came upon this interview with Gorbachev from October 2014, that makes an interesting read. NATO expansion didn't come up explicitly other than in the context of German reunification. No expansion of NATO beyond the Elbe into the old GDR.

"The topic of “NATO expansion” was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. I say this with full responsibility. Not a singe Eastern European country raised the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact ceased to exist in 1991. Western leaders didn’t bring it up, either. Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces from the alliance would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement, mentioned in your question, was made in that context. Kohl and [German Vice Chancellor Hans-Dietrich] Genscher talked about it."

But adds:

"The decision for the U.S. and its allies to expand NATO into the east was decisively made in 1993. I called this a big mistake from the very beginning. It was definitely a violation of the spirit of the statements and assurances made to us in 1990. With regards to Germany, they were legally enshrined and are being observed."

https://www.rbth.com/international/2014 ... 40673.html

[harryg]

I was thinking this morning how ironic it is that in our "Age of Information", most of what you can find online is actually disinformation. Imagine how bad it will get when deepfakes are so good you can't possibly tell the difference with real footage, and the software becomes accessible to anyone. More like the "Age of Trolls".

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Slow Harry

[chippermon]

Imagine how bad it will get when deepfakes are so good you can't possibly tell the difference with real footage, and the software becomes accessible to anyone. More like the "Age of Trolls".

Already there, in my opinion.

[SOL]

China’s Deputy Foreign Minister criticized NATO for the war in Ukraine
In his speech during the forum on security and strategy, the Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister Le Yuchen said the root cause of the war in Ukraine “Lies in the mentality of the Cold War-era political force,” and warned that if NATO“The expansion is going on, it will be approaching the ‘outskirts of Moscow,’ where a missile could hit the Kremlin in seven to eight minutes.”

“The clamping down of a large country, especially a nuclear state, will have consequences that are too dire to think about.” he said.

Echoing the position of Russian President Vladimir Putin, Mr. Le said NATO were to “go down in history with the Warsaw Pact.”

“However, instead of parting, NATO continued to strengthen and expand and intervened in hostilities in countries such as Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. ” he said. “One could foresee the consequences along the way. The crisis in Ukraine it’s a stern warning. “
https://newslivewashington.com/chinas-d ... aine/8032/



A super-trend is dangerously close to being activated. For now, we have a minor trend in play that states the US will decline for 18 to 30 years. A super trend would push the minimum phase to 45 years. A few more developmental and this trend will be sealed. China has decided to take a stance against the USA in favour of Russia. Next in Line is India and then most of Asia will follow suit.

china has also blamed the U.S. for the deterioration of relations. ​​"A key question here is what role the U.S., the culprit of current tensions surrounding Ukraine, has played," Hua said on Wednesday. "If someone keeps pouring oil on the flame while accusing others of not doing their best to put out the fire, such kind of behavior is clearly irresponsible and immoral."

As Samuel Goldman writes for The Week, though, China's discomfort with Russia's aggression could drive a wedge between the two friendly nations. "In particular, the [Biden] administration may hope to make China squeamish about providing further support to a disruptive actor," he writes. "Despite friendly joint statements issued on the opening day of the Winter Olympics, there are hints that the Chinese authorities worry Russia will go too far in provoking the United States and European Union.

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The first statement is True, the US had the power to defuse the situation, instead, the cowards at the top of the Helm did what they were best known for, breaking promises and throwing nations under the Bus. They did the same thing in Georgia. The second part is pure conjecture. China does not take one step without thinking in advance. They support Russia for they know the winds of time are changing their direction. China could shut down all shipments to the USA, while it would hurt China it would absolutely Cripple the US. Prices would soar to the moon. The US does not manufacture much nowadays, so it has opened itself to a host of retaliatory measures that China in Conjunction with Russia will implement in the years to come. Asian nations that side with the US now are playing with the old guard and will lose considerably in the years to come. We are moving into a multi-polar world and the US and the EU made the biggest mistake of all time, they attacked Russia in a hysterical manner. If Russia is guilty then the US is 10X guiltier for all the war crimes and atrocities they have committed over the past 50 years.

We don't support what Putin is doing to the People in Ukraine, but this could have all been avoided. We were also against the Iraq war as the US had no business being there. They also had no business being in Syria, or Libya, and host of other places.

[SOL]

https://youtu.be/6OAGgLCp7t4

[Yodean]

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Hmmm, just started listening to this, and it's quite fantastic ... then again, I'm a bit of an armchair connoisseur of military strategy and tactics (e.g. have read _Art of War_ a few times over a decade ago), so I'm definitely biased ...

[SOL]

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Hmmm, just started listening to this, and it's quite fantastic ... then again, I'm a bit of an armchair connoisseur of military strategy and tactics (e.g. have read _Art of War_ a few times over a decade ago), so I'm definitely biased ...

It is quite a revealing video and I was surprised to find out that Scott seems to agree with many things that we at TI see coming to fruition in the years to come

You might find this interesting also. I just skimmed through it very fast

https://youtu.be/R7xOUXvzd_k

[Budge]

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Hmmm, just started listening to this, and it's quite fantastic ... then again, I'm a bit of an armchair connoisseur of military strategy and tactics (e.g. have read _Art of War_ a few times over a decade ago), so I'm definitely biased ...

Agree that he's a mine of info. and destroying the neocon propaganda. The same way he disputed the BO regime's attempt to pin Assad with chemical warfare. Boy, did he come in for the psyops as a result. Expect to see a heavy dose of deja-vu all over again.

[scott]

It is quite a revealing video and I was surprised to find out that Scott seems to agree with many things that we at TI see coming to fruition in the years to come

Of course I agree with you, for the most part! Why be surprised?

[Yodean]

Of course I agree with you, for the most part! Why be surprised?

Well, you were right that the Ukraine crisis morphed into something much more extensive than what both BossNinja and I originally thought. I mean, you were quite cagey about it, but based on your posts around the time the conflict began - here and in the AITT forum - you expected a much more protracted, severe conflict.

BossNinja had said that Vlad's initial move into East Ukraine would guarantee a "90% chance that there will be no war." Around the same time, I made a joke that everyone was worried about Russia and Ukraine, except Russia and Ukraine.

Have to consider returning my newest crystal ball to Amazon, although for the most part, it's been working quite well. As for BossNinja, my personal pet theory atm is that frequent travel messes up his SecondSight ...

[SOL]

It is quite a revealing video and I was surprised to find out that Scott seems to agree with many things that we at TI see coming to fruition in the years to come

Of course I agree with you, for the most part! Why be surprised?

Hahaha, Scott, I was asking for that and like the patient scorpion ninja, you are you struck and hit the target without even blinking your eyes. Next time I have to add the last time :mrgre:

[scott]

Honestly, I was trying to be funny; thought you were talking about Scott Ritter not me Scott. A bit ambiguous.

[SOL]

Honestly, I was trying to be funny; thought you were talking about Scott Ritter not me Scott. A bit ambiguous.

As Harry would say that was my satirical response