GLobal Warming Argument. Valid or Invalid?

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Budge wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 12:00 am Letter from John Maynard Keynes to Duncan Grant:

“You have not, I suppose, ever mixed with politicians at close quarters. They are awful… their stupidity is inhuman….”
He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.

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Here is a scientific detailed analysis of global warming - long article but easy read.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/featu ... ature2.php
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Nasa and Data Manipulation

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NASA Massively Tampering With The US Temperature Record

In 1999, NASA published this graph, showing that the 1930s was by far the warmest decade in the US


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The graph was accompanied by this text :

Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought. The drought of 1999 covered a smaller area than the 1988 drought, when the Mississippi almost dried up. And 1988 was a temporary inconvenience as compared with repeated droughts during the 1930s “Dust Bowl” that caused an exodus from the prairies, as chronicled in Steinbeck’s Grapes of Wrath.

in the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases — in fact, there was a slight cooling throughout much of the country

NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Whither U.S. Climate?

They have since eliminated the hot 1930s from the temperature record. Their current graph looks like this :



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https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/201 ... re-record/

Forget Global Warming, The Sun Says An Ice Age Is Coming


Over the past 40 years, Al Gore and his Anthropogenic Global Warming crew warned millions would die from runaway heat. The cause of this runaway heat, they said, was human-produced Carbon Dioxide (CO2).

Gore and his crew and the mainstream media said the seas would rise, swamping island and low lying countries. It hasn’t happened. Could that be because an ice age is coming? Or is it just that their observations, measurements, theory, and modeling are all wrong.

James Hansen, Columbia University adjunct professor and climate activist, warned about dangerous climate change in his 1988 Congressional testimony.

Hansen said Manhattan’s West Side Highway would be underwater by 2008. It is now 2019, and the sea around Manhattan is practically unchanged. To illustrate just how crazy Hanson’s prediction was, note that the West Side Highway is 33 metres above seal level at its lowest point.

“The West Side Highway will be under water. And there will be tape across the windows across the street because of high winds.” – Climate Scientist, Jim Hansen.

Manhattan isn’t underwater. Nowhere near it. All of their climate models are wrong, and their ten-year predictions keep failing.

The IPCC and Al Gore said the ice sheets would melt, never to return. That hasn’t happened. They said the North Pole would be free of ice and Antarctic melting would drown islands. None of that happened. And now NASA admits their instruments can’t see the snow falling on Antarctica that has compensated for ice loss.

Those NASA scientists never bothered to visit Antarctica to check to see if what they said was true. Until now. And now they admit they were wrong. At least they did, and that is a good thing. But the media and politicians persist with the “runaway global warming”fantasy.

The commonly believed story of “97% of scientists say global warming is caused by humans” is a completely fabricated lie. This outright lie is still being used as the basis for political discussion. This Forbes story reports what real climate scientists said about the mischaracterization of their papers.

Politicians and much of the world’s population have been tricked into believing CO2 is a poison. Especially school students who know almost nothing about the world and how propaganda works.

Certainly, climate is changing, but the attempts to pin it all on CO2 are a miserable failure. Unfortunately, politics and research funding have caused half the population to be pitted against the other half.

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It is obvious to anyone researching temperature changes, that NASA climate scientists have manipulated raw temperature data. They are now mixing raw data with their model’s data, publicizing only the manipulated charts. Thankfully some smart people have been tracking their manipulation and millions know they are doing it. This is part of the reason there is so much skepticism around climate change.

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Nobody has yet proved that humans are causing the measured rise in CO2. They have not proved that the rise in CO2 is causing warming. They have not proved that humans could reduce CO2 and that doing so would cause temperature changes.

The manipulated NASA temperature charts show almost the whole of 2016, 2017 and 2018 were hotter than the peak of 1939. Looking at raw data, that has not been manipulated shows that is an obvious lie. The problem now is that anyone willing to stand up to denounce the lie is demonized as “a denier.” Raw temperature data shows this is a lie. Only NASA’s manipulated model data shows this incorrect trend.

While funded scientists research bogus CO2 effects, the mainstream media and politicians divert human attention elsewhere.

While the people are distracted, global warming believers pat themselves on the back for saying nasty things about people they call deniers.

https://principia-scientific.com/forget ... is-coming/

Science is only ‘true’ when the data is true
The earth and humanity are not going to end in your lifetime, or anyone else’s. I am old enough to remember when the scare was global cooling (look it up). Since the cooling catastrophe did not occur, the next progressive alarm was global warming. Since that is not happening according to the plan, it is now climate change — a convenient way of covering all your bases since the climate does change.

I have approximately 120 articles I copied over the last 10 years or so on the subject. Several of the articles describe how some raw data has been manipulated or fabricated. Science is only “true” when the data is true. You can make statistics indicate anything based on how you manipulate the data. And, computer programs can be written or tweaked to give any result you want.

Other articles describe how scientists who disagree with the progressive mantra are marginalized, fired, or not published in “peer reviewed” journals. If you disagree with the journal management/editors, you do not get published. Disagreeable scientists are ostracized, denied promotions, etc. In the private/academic environment, it means no grants.

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The manipulation of the data is incontestable in my opinion, and in view of that one has to wonder why.

State of Fear by Michael Crichton is an interesting book. I appreciate that he writes made-up stories for a living, but I found his dissection of the global warming story compelling. At the end of the book he talks about 'consensus science':

I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you're being had.
Let's be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus.Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science, consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results.The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus.


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Do you remember the headlines in summer 2020 ? hottest temperatures in north pole, 38°c, NORTH POLE IS SMELTING !!!!!!! ITS THE END OF THE WORLD !!!!!!!

https://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-r ... %E2%81%B0c

In fact, these north pole temperatures are measured in Verchojansk, a weather station in Russia, 2500 km far from the real north pole. This village is well known for his extreme temperatures in summer and winter.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/rus ... oyansk/ext

Look the temperatures for next week, 67°c under zero !!!!!!!!! no headlines in the medias about these extreme temperatures !!!!!!!!

Dont worry guys and girls, north pole is not smelting........
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sorry, its 55° under zero, first preview was 67°, it has changed.
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but 67°or 55°under zero, not a big difference, but you have got the idea.....
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The Greenie Game

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Can't beat 'em, so gonna join 'em. Bend the knee to Princess Greta a little bit ...

I'll probably buy my 1st lot in the following ETF if and when it hits $41 or thereabouts:

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The West is switching to trendy unreliable energy while Russia is ramping up coal and gas production.

Russia is building a ten billion dollar railroad to sell coal to Asia, but Australia is building a ten billion dollar hydro bandaid “battery” just to make unreliable energy slightly less useless.

Russia is being left behind on renewables, and they’re probably delighted. The more the West cripples itself in a quest to make sparkly green-electrons that stop the storms, the richer the Russians will get.

With the second largest coal reserves in the world, they’re well positioned to meet the growing demand from India and China. Indeed, if Russia could just think of a way to stop the USA and Australia from producing coal, they could corner the market.

If Russian Intel isn’t paying climate activists and child-complainers a retainer, they must have rocks for brains. But since they are apparently paying French and German bloggers to discredit the Pfizer vaccine perhaps they already are some of the great minds behind Greenpeace?

And if they were funding climate disinformation campaigns, which media outlet would tell us
Russia is making more coal than ever. Soon it will overtake Australia.

https://joannenova.com.au/2021/06/russi ... enewables/

Russia, India, China all signed the Paris accord, they did so so to make it look like they were playing along, but notice how they coolly continue doing what they always did. Unless the West embraces Nuclear, we might be riding bicycles when the windmills stop spinning or there is not enough sun to power the panels
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Dane Wiggington has invested many, many years blowing the whistle about climate engineering. Here is a good 6 minute video from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac8c-M1zhhM
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