West's duplicitous double standards: Russia War

[Budge]

The post below is quite interesting. The author will remain anonymous but he is summarizing a conversation with a high level European official, apparently. Regardless of the exact source, the points raised are worthy of some reflection, whether you agree with them or not.

Don't shoot the messenger.

The topic is the U.S. sending money and other stuff to Ukraine, and related issues. The basis conclusion is that America wins big, regardless of whether the Russians or Ukrainians prevail in the current dispute.

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Very interesting. Hope you don't mind me playing around with it?
Main points
-“Money” being sent to Ukraine is mostly in form of arms/weapons
-They’re sent via “lend-lease” meaning Ukraine will have to pay it back

-It wasn’t until after Ukraine showed that it would not be occupied by Russia, that the US committed big budgets and armaments
Peace was agreed in April, but US's bitch BoJo came in and wielded the big stick (and probably $$s) and peace ended. Let's fight to the last Ukrainian.
-After the war, the EU will be on the hook for rebuilding Ukraine, integrating them into the union and thus helping pay back the US lend-lease arms
Who says there will be any Uk left. Russia takes east and predators move in. Poland wants the west which it lost post WWII.
-The US is passing off older, strategically obsolete weapons which would eventually be replaced (HIMARS)
-The US didn’t part with any of their most effective and technologically advanced systems (helicopers, planes)
-NATO is strengthened under US leadership
Might say NATO/EU are in a feudal relationship with US. Vassal states. Besides Russia has not committed either its best troops or weapons. All the fighting to date has been by Donbas militias, Russian National Guard and Chetyan brigades.
-America will achieve all its strategic objectives on the cheap
All of its objectives? I'll post a link at the end which talks of a Rand study about US destroying Germany as an industrial producer. Seems to be working out.
-Europe will need to invest in their military which will mean big business for the US
-Russian armaments have been exposed as inferior so Russia will lose global marketshare to the US military industry
See point above - we've not seen the "good" stuff yet. And, what about Russia running out of ammo etc. What a crock that's turned out to be.
-Europe is essentially decoupled from the Russian energy tit, creating a huge opportunity for US LNG
For sure. Notice no talk yet of price caps on the LNG US is exporting to Europe - gouging! Exporting out LNG has another benefit to the PTB - increases the price we have to pay here at home
-Europe falls completely out of Russian influence
Like that's a big loss!
-The Russian military is grounded down by Ukraine with no American soldiers dying
See above. Except the mercs
-Russia finished as a threat to US influence
Bankers want to get in there to carry on business as normal - rape and pillage. Our Ukrainian parasites in the US government (Nuland et al) want to exact revenge on Russia for historic "wrongs" (defeating the Nazis/Banderites and driving them out). While others (Biden Crime Syndicate) need to protect the honey/money pot plus prevent unwelcome secrets being exposed. Meanwhile Putin seen as Russia's saviour post 2000. US has achieved what Kissinger warned of - uniting Russia and China (albeit operating in their own self interest)

-The US can now focus all military attention towards containing China
Not so fast
-This is also a wakeup call for EU to take China seriously as a military adversary
As if they have a choice
-EU-China relations have been set back decades in terms of cooperation

-The days of the US having to twist the EU’s arm to not let Huawei build their 5G system are over
Danger could be TikTok?
-China’s slow moving influence campaign into Europe is essentially done
Belt Road Initiative meets roadblock but rest of Asia, Middle East, Africa, S America?
-China now needs to think much harder about invading Taiwan…both militarily and strategically (sanctions)
Sorry Dean, Forman/Taiwosa is fucked. I'll take the bet
The conclusion was that whatever the actual costs to the US, it’s peanuts compared to the accomplishment of these strategic objectives which will be reaping dividends for years to come
Agreed as long as US dickheads don't engage Russia militarily. As per 1914, chaos in Europe money floods to the US

Ultimately the EU will shoulder most of the suffering while the US reaps the benefits

Some people are asking me for proof…it’s an analysis…and it’s by someone else.

You can fact check the lend-lease aspect but even if it’s not repaid it doesn’t change the main points.

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Like the Fed, the U.S. DeepState is no joke. They may pretend to be "dumb" and not know what they are doing, but to me, they are the ulimate Dark WISCS (Wolves In Sheep's Clothing). They always win the important battles, and most of the unimportant ones, too.

Here's the link I mentioned, Larry Johnson's site:

https://sonar21.com/is-the-war-in-ukrai ... -says-yes/

"But the real damage from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is economic and will determine the outcome of this war. It is not only wreaking havoc in Ukraine, it is causing real damage around the world. Some believe that the United States and NATO are using Ukraine as a lever to weaken Russia and get rid of Putin. Putin’s crime? He refused to be the prison bitch of the west. But there is a RAND report from January 2022 that suggests something darker, even diabolical."

"ArcelorMittal already has closed two plants in Germany."

"Sweden, who recently joined NATO, is getting an economic punch in the nose as well:....

Swedish appliance maker Electrolux AB announced a cost reduction program after reporting a plunge in demand for its home appliances across Europe and the US."

"As long as Russia’s economy remains intact and it can sell its essential products to other countries not on board with backing Ukraine, Russia will prevail. Let me conclude by giving analysts at Rand some kudos. Rand issued a prescient report in January that provides some alarming insight into a nefarious motive that explains why Washington is goading Berlin into backing Ukraine and cutting ties to Russia:

The present state of the U.S. economy does not suggest that it can function without the financial and material support from external sources. The quantitive easing policy, which the Fed has resorted to regularly in recent years, as well as the uncontrolled issue of cash during the 2020 and 2021 Covid lockdowns, have led to a sharp increase in the external debt and an increase in the dollar supply.

The continuing deterioration of the economic situation is highly likely to lead to a loss in the position of the Democratic Party in Congress and the Senate in the forthcoming elections to be held in November 2022. The impeachment of the President cannot be ruled out under these circumstances, which must be avoided at all costs. . . .

The current German economic model is based on two pillars. These are unlimited access to cheap Russian energy resources and to cheap French electric power, thanks to the operation of nuclear plants. The importance of the first factor is considerably higher. Halting Russian supplies can well create a systemic crisis that would be devastating for the German economy and, indirectly, for the entire European Union.


There are usually great comments on his site and I'll add one from Jack at 23:11 quoting Sergei Glaziev from 2014:

Hi Larry. Great stuff yet again. I’ll go one step back from the Rand Corporation to an article written by Sergei Glaziev in 2014, when he was one of Vladimir Putin’s economic advisers. It’s lengthy, but you’ll see why.
“To maintain their world dominance, the US is provoking another war in Europe. A war is always good for America. They even call the Second World War which killed 50 million people in Europe and Russia, a good war. It was good for America because the US emerged from this war as the world’s leading power. The Cold War which ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union was also good for them. Now the US again wants to maintain its leadership at the expense of Europe.
US leadership is being threatened by a rapidly rising China. The world today is shifting to yet another cycle, this time political. This cycle lasts centuries and is associated with the global institutions of regulatory economics. We are now moving from the American cycle of capital accumulation to an Asian cycle. This is another crisis that is challenging US hegemony.
To maintain their leading position in the face of competition with a rising China and other Asian countries Americans are starting a war in Europe. They want to weaken Europe, break up Russia, and subjugate the entire Eurasian continent. That is, instead of a development zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok, which is proposed by President Putin, the US wants to start a chaotic war on this territory, embroil all Europe in a war, devalue to European capital, write off its public debt, under the burden of which the US is already falling apart, write off what they owe to Europe and Russia, subjugate our economic space and establish control over resources of the giant Eurasian continent.
They believe that this is the only way they can maintain their hegemony and beat China …. Russia and Ukraine are the victims of this war which is being fomented by the Americans. But Europe is also a victim because the war aims to target European welfare and to destabilise Europe. Americans expect the European capital and brain drain to America will continue. That’s why they are setting all of Europe on fire. It’s very strange that European leaders are going along with them.”
That was written eight years ago, and look at where we are now.

[SOL]

I will say this after looking at many of the writings by individuals that know what they are talking about. My conclusion is that the outcome is going to surprise everyone. One thing is certain, though, America has not contained Russia when they are only using about 10% of their Armed forces and have still to deploy their top equipment.

However, the ending is going to be very interesting; the only terrible factor is the needless loss of so many lives

[Budge]

I will say this after looking at many of the writings by individuals that know what they are talking about. My conclusion is that the outcome is going to surprise everyone. One thing is certain, though, America has not contained Russia when they are only using about 10% of their Armed forces and have still to deploy their top equipment.

However, the ending is going to be very interesting; the only terrible factor is the needless loss of so many lives

My fear is that Vlad can't contain the hardliners/back seat "generals" some of whom would happily deploy tactical nukes. Unfortunately, they forget their SunTzu:

"The emperor states his goals, the generals achieve them. For the emperor to interfere, defeat is certain"

[Yodean]

Sorry Dean, Forman/Taiwosa is fucked. I'll take the bet

Okay - game on - I bet that there's no military invasion of Formosa from now until the end of 2024. "Military" will have to be defined by at least 5k body bags on both sides, with involvement of Taiwanese F16s and PLA bombers.

Loser has to write a 500+ word post on a topic of winner's choice.



You are doomed, Budge!

[djanderle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLpWHRDY6v4&t=2884s

How the US will weaken Germany / EU and strengthen the US.

Interesting beginning at the 42:00 minute mark.
Rand Report, which includes the distribution for the DNC dated Jan 25th, 2022

[Budge]

Sorry Dean, Forman/Taiwosa is fucked. I'll take the bet

Okay - game on - I bet that there's no military invasion of Formosa from now until the end of 2024. "Military" will have to be defined by at least 5k body bags on both sides, with involvement of Taiwanese F16s and PLA bombers.

Loser has to write a 500+ word post on a topic of winner's choice.



You are doomed, Budge!

Me on left, you on right:

[Yodean]

Kinda racist, no?

Lol, I did get a nice tan this summer.

Ya should start doing research on Brandon Jr. and building up those references for your post on why the dude's the gr8est role model for youngsters, evah ...

[Budge]

Ya should start doing research on Brandon Jr. and building up those references for your post on why the dude's the gr8est role model for youngsters, evah ...

OK, let's give that a go:

#1: Be born into a crime family

(Yea! that's a good start)

[Do-or-Die]

The Kharkov game-changer


Wars are not won by psyops. Ask Nazi Germany. Still, it’s been a howler to watch NATOstan media on Kharkov, gloating in unison about “the hammer blow that knocks out Putin”, “the Russians are in trouble”, and assorted inanities.

Facts: Russian forces withdrew from the territory of Kharkov to the left bank of the Oskol river, where they are now entrenched. A Kharkov-Donetsk-Luhansk line seems to be stable. Krasny Liman is threatened, besieged by superior Ukrainian forces, but not lethally.

No one – not even Maria Zakharova, the contemporary female equivalent of Hermes, the messenger of the Gods – knows what the Russian General Staff (RGS) plans, in this case and all others. If they say they do, they are lying.

As it stands, what may be inferred with a reasonable degree of certainty is that a line – Svyatogorsk-Krasny Liman-Yampol-Belogorovka – can hold out long enough with their current garrisons until fresh Russian forces are able to swoop in and force the Ukrainians back beyond the Seversky Donets line.

All hell broke loose – virtually – on why Kharkov happened. The people’s republics and Russia never had enough men to defend a 1,000 km-long frontline. NATO’s entire intel capabilities noticed – and profited from it.

There were no Russian Armed Forces in those settlements: only Rosgvardia, and these are not trained to fight military forces. Kiev attacked with an advantage of around 5 to 1. The allied forces retreated to avoid encirclement. There are no Russian troop losses because there were no Russian troops in the region.

Arguably this may have been a one-off. The NATO-run Kiev forces simply can’t do a replay anywhere in Donbass, or in Kherson, or in Mariupol. These are all protected by strong, regular Russian Army units.

It’s practically a given that if the Ukrainians remain around Kharkov and Izyum they will be pulverized by massive Russian artillery. Military analyst Konstantin Sivkov maintains that, “most combat-ready formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being grounded (…) we managed to lure them into the open and are now systematically destroying them.”

The NATO-run Ukrainian forces, crammed with NATO mercenaries, had spent 6 months hoarding equipment and reserving trained assets exactly for this Kharkov moment – while dispatching disposables into a massive meat grinder. It will be very hard to sustain an assembly line of substantial prime assets to pull off something similar again.

The next days will show whether Kharkov and Izyum are connected to a much larger NATO push. The mood in NATO-controlled EU is approaching Desperation Row. There’s a strong possibility this counter-offensive signifies NATO entering the war for good, while displaying quite tenuous plausible deniability: their veil of – fake – secrecy cannot disguise the presence of “advisers” and mercenaries all across the spectrum.

Decommunization as de-energization

The Special Military Operation (SMO), conceptually, is not about conquering territory per se: it is, or it was, so far, about protection of Russophone citizens in occupied territories, thus demilitarization cum denazification.

That concept may be about to be tweaked. And that’s where the tortuous, tricky debate on Russia mobilization fits in. Yet even a partial mobilization may not be necessary: what’s needed are reserves to properly allow allied forces to cover rear/defensive lines. Hardcore fighters of the Kadyrov contingent kind would continue to play offense.

It’s undeniable that Russian troops lost a strategically important node in Izyum. Without it, the complete liberation of Donbass becomes significantly harder.

Yet for the collective West, whose carcass slouches inside a vast simulacra bubble, it’s the pysops that matters much more than a minor military advance: thus all that gloating on Ukraine being able to drive the Russians out of the whole of Kharkov in only four days – while they had 6 months to liberate Donbass, and didn’t.

So, across the West, the reigning perception – frantically fomented by psyops experts – is that the Russian military were hit by that “hammer blow” and will hardly recover.

Kharkov was preciously timed – as General Winter is around the corner; the Ukraine issue was already suffering from public opinion fatigue; and the propaganda machine needed a boost to turbo-lubricate the multi-billion dollar weaponizing rat line.

Yet Kharkov may have forced Moscow’s hand to increase the pain dial. That came via a few well-placed Mr. Khinzals leaving the Black Sea and the Caspian to present their business cards to the largest thermal power plants in northeast and central Ukraine (most of the energy infrastructure is in the southeast).

Half of Ukraine suddenly lost power and water. Trains came to a halt. If Moscow decides to take out all major Ukraine substations at once, all it takes is a few missiles to totally smash the Ukrainian energy grid – adding a new meaning to “decommunization”: de-energization.

According to an expert analysis, “if transformers of 110-330 kV are damaged, then it will almost never be possible to put it into operation (…) And if this happens at least at 5 substations at the same time, then everything is kaput. Stone age forever.”

Russian government official Marat Bashirov was way more colorful: “Ukraine is being plunged into the 19th century. If there is no energy system, there will be no Ukrainian army. The matter of fact is that General Volt came to the war, followed by General Moroz (“frost”).

And that’s how we might be finally entering “real war” territory – as in Putin’s notorious quip that “we haven’t even started anything yet.”

A definitive response will come from the RSG in the next few days.

Once again, a fiery debate rages on what Russia will do next (the RGS, after all, is inscrutable, except for Yoda Patrushev).

The RGS may opt for a serious strategic strike of the decapitating kind elsewhere – as in changing the subject for the worse (for NATO).

It may opt for sending more troops to protect the front line (without partial mobilization).

And most of all it may enlarge the SMO mandate – going to total destruction of Ukrainian transport/energy infrastructure, from gas fields to thermal power plants, substations, and shutting down nuclear power plants.

Well, it could always be a mix of all of the above: a Russian version of Shock and Awe – generating an unprecedented socio-economic catastrophe. That has already been telegraphed by Moscow: we can revert you to the Stone Age at any time and in a matter of hours (italics mine). Your cities will greet General Winter with zero heating, freezing water, power outages and no connectivity.

A counter-terrorist operation

All eyes are on whether “centers of decision” – as in Kiev – may soon get a Khinzal visit. This would signify Moscow has had enough. The siloviki certainly did. But we’re not there – yet. Because for an eminently diplomatic Putin the real game revolves around those gas supplies to the EU, that puny plaything of American foreign policy.

Putin is certainly aware that the internal front is under some pressure. He refuses even partial mobilization. A perfect indicator of what may happen in winter is the referenda in liberated territories. The limit date is November 4 – the Day of National Unity, a commemoration introduced in 2004 to replace the celebration of the October revolution (it already existed in imperial times).

With the accession of these territories to Russia, any Ukrainian counter-offensive would qualify as an act of war against regions incorporated into the Russian Federation. Everyone knows what that means.

It may now be painfully obvious that when the collective West is waging war – hybrid and kinetic, with everything from massive intel to satellite data and hordes of mercenaries – against you, and you insist on conducting a hazily-defined Special Military Operation (SMO), you may be up for some nasty surprises.

So the SMO status may be about to change: it’s bound to become a counter-terrorist operation.

This is an existential war. A do or die affair. The American geopolitical /geoeconomic goal, to put it bluntly, is to destroy Russian unity, impose regime change and plunder all those immense natural resources. Ukrainians are nothing but cannon fodder: in a sort of twisted History remake, the modern equivalents of the pyramid of skulls Timur cemented into 120 towers when he razed Baghdad in 1401.

If may take a “hammer blow” for the RSG to wake up. Sooner rather than later, gloves – velvet and otherwise – will be off. Exit SMO. Enter War.

http://thesaker.is/the-kharkov-game-changer/

Interesting article by Pepe Escobar.

[Do-or-Die]

Sorry Dean, Forman/Taiwosa is fucked. I'll take the bet

Okay - game on - I bet that there's no military invasion of Formosa from now until the end of 2024. "Military" will have to be defined by at least 5k body bags on both sides, with involvement of Taiwanese F16s and PLA bombers.

Loser has to write a 500+ word post on a topic of winner's choice.



You are doomed, Budge!

This should be fun. I am going to stock up on organic popcorn and not so organic rum

[deepthinker]

https://youtu.be/ozDS7KOFar4

https://youtu.be/-OUrJpvH3zM

[Yodean]

This should be fun. I am going to stock up on organic popcorn and not so organic rum

Budge is a very good writer, so I expect his post will be quite good, in early 2024.

[LoriPrecisely]

In my small community of 3,000, inside of a township of 30,000, inside of a county of 1,300,000 people....the prominent word I keep hearing in the council meetings for each municipality is "misinformation". I attend all 3 of these municipalities' meetings each month, and even in my small sphere of influence on this planet, that is the dominant word being used rather than a logical discussion regarding differences of opinion/perspective regarding: election fraud, the WEF agenda to take away ownership of anything and everything, CRT in the schools, ballot proposal to vote without identification and another one for abortion/gender identity issues, etc, etc, etc.

All the mainstream media is using this word, as they, themselves, push out the propaganda. They twist words to make actual events sound completely different than how they really happened, or to make the good sound like evil and vice versa. Look at mainstream medias' reporting on the recent FBI accosting of Mike Lindell because he created a documentary about the FBI arrest of the election clerk in Colorado, Tina Peters, who was investigating election fraud, or the way they report on Veritas Press. Or, the way they report on the war in Ukraine!!

Following are some recent headlines from Associated Press news that demonstrates the current war we are in.....

"UN stresses key communications role to combat disinformation"
The U.N. Security Council said Tuesday that more needs to be done to counter disinformation and misinformation about the U.N.’s 12 peacekeeping operations, which have faced growing attacks especially on social media.

"TikTok search results riddled with misinformation: Report"
TikTok may be the platform of choice for catchy videos, but anyone using it to learn about COVID-19, climate change or Russia's invasion of Ukraine is likely to encounter misleading information, according to a research report published Wednesday.

"Fighting bogus claims a growing priority in election offices"
Election officials preparing for the rapidly approaching midterm elections have one more headache: trying to combat misinformation that sows distrust about voting and results while fueling vitriol aimed at rank-and-file election workers.

"Twitter bans ads that contradict science on climate change"
Twitter says it will no longer allow advertisers on its site who deny the scientific consensus on climate change, echoing a policy already in place at Google.

"YouTube to remove videos spreading abortion falsehoods"
YouTube will begin removing misleading videos about abortion in response to falsehoods being spread about the procedure that is being banned or restricted across a broad swath of the U.S.

"RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine group kicked off Instagram, Facebook"
Instagram and Facebook suspended Children's Health Defense this week after the anti-vaccine group led by Robert Kennedy Jr. repeatedly violated rules prohibiting misinformation about COVID-19.

"For Russian diplomats, disinformation is part of the job"
As governments and social media companies have moved to suppress Russia's state media and the disinformation it spreads about the war in Ukraine, the Kremlin's diplomats are stepping up to do the dirty work.

https://apnews.com/hub/misinformation

[SOL]

This should be fun. I am going to stock up on organic popcorn and not so organic rum

Budge is a very good writer, so I expect his post will be quite good, in early 2024.

Budge certainly has a way with words. However, he would probably not last too long as a diplomat. So does it have to be a hot war? What if China takes Taiwan relatively peacefully, does that count as a win? It is always a challenge to write something at length on a positive note, especially if you dislike that person.

Needless to say DOD (Do or die) has a point; it will be fun to interesting

[SOL]

In my small community of 3,000, inside of a township of 30,000, inside of a county of 1,300,000 people....the prominent word I keep hearing in the council meetings for each municipality is "misinformation". I attend all 3 of these municipalities' meetings each month, and even in my small sphere of influence on this planet, that is the dominant word being used rather than a logical discussion regarding differences of opinion/perspective regarding: election fraud, the WEF agenda to take away ownership of anything and everything, CRT in the schools, ballot proposal to vote without identification and another one for abortion/gender identity issues, etc, etc, etc.

All the mainstream media is using this word, as they, themselves, push out the propaganda. They twist words to make actual events sound completely different than how they really happened, or to make the good sound like evil and vice versa. Look at mainstream medias' reporting on the recent FBI accosting of Mike Lindell because he created a documentary about the FBI arrest of the election clerk in Colorado, Tina Peters, who was investigating election fraud, or the way they report on Veritas Press. Or, the way they report on the war in Ukraine!!

Following are some recent headlines from Associated Press news that demonstrates the current war we are in.....

"UN stresses key communications role to combat disinformation"
The U.N. Security Council said Tuesday that more needs to be done to counter disinformation and misinformation about the U.N.’s 12 peacekeeping operations, which have faced growing attacks especially on social media.

"TikTok search results riddled with misinformation: Report"
TikTok may be the platform of choice for catchy videos, but anyone using it to learn about COVID-19, climate change or Russia's invasion of Ukraine is likely to encounter misleading information, according to a research report published Wednesday.

"Fighting bogus claims a growing priority in election offices"
Election officials preparing for the rapidly approaching midterm elections have one more headache: trying to combat misinformation that sows distrust about voting and results while fueling vitriol aimed at rank-and-file election workers.

"Twitter bans ads that contradict science on climate change"
Twitter says it will no longer allow advertisers on its site who deny the scientific consensus on climate change, echoing a policy already in place at Google.

"YouTube to remove videos spreading abortion falsehoods"
YouTube will begin removing misleading videos about abortion in response to falsehoods being spread about the procedure that is being banned or restricted across a broad swath of the U.S.

"RFK Jr.’s anti-vaccine group kicked off Instagram, Facebook"
Instagram and Facebook suspended Children's Health Defense this week after the anti-vaccine group led by Robert Kennedy Jr. repeatedly violated rules prohibiting misinformation about COVID-19.

"For Russian diplomats, disinformation is part of the job"
As governments and social media companies have moved to suppress Russia's state media and the disinformation it spreads about the war in Ukraine, the Kremlin's diplomats are stepping up to do the dirty work.

https://apnews.com/hub/misinformation

It is quite scary the speed at which things have changed since the onset of COVID. Freedom of expression is being hit from all sides. The problem is that today the left might win, but tomorrow or the day after, the Right will take over, and in the end, nobody wins because each side will have one focus; destroy the other side at any cost and fulfilling the original game plan by the PPT. They are only interested in polarising the crowd; they don't care about right or wrong as long as both sides are constantly at each other's throats. You don't make money by selling guns only; you have to make the gun owners purchase more bullets. To make them purchase more bullets, you must find a way to get them to discharge their guns.